Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 2 December 2011 23:03, Toby Murray  wrote:
> One thing I have thought might not be too hard to code up and provide
> some use would be to have a "Recent edits by my friends" page that
> just accumulates recent edits by your friends onto one page and
> displays it with bboxes like the single user edit history page. Right
> now you can only see the changeset comments from the last edit your
> friends have made. To see more is at least 2 clicks for each friend.

It would be great too if the changeset comments were displayed in some
place in the editors, e.g. the bottom of the MOTD page in JOSM or
somewhere else.  Either your own only, or even better your friends'
and nearby mappers' changes too.  Currently you only ever see them if
you browse edits on the web and this isn't enough motivation for many
people to comment changes.

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

[Toby Murray]

One thing I have thought might not be too hard to code up and provide
some use would be to have a "Recent edits by my friends" page that
just accumulates recent edits by your friends onto one page and
displays it with bboxes like the single user edit history page. Right
now you can only see the changeset comments from the last edit your
friends have made. To see more is at least 2 clicks for each friend.

Toby

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Re: [OSM-talk] Funding drive – Improving OSM reliability and performance

[Andreas Labres]

On 02.12.11 18:02, Tom Hughes wrote:
> The critical point, and wikipedia makes this clear, is that they are only
> obliged to treat them the same as domestic Euro transfers.
>
> As there generally no domestic Euro transfers in the UK they can happily levy
> large fees for such transfers and then levy those same large fees for
> transfers from other SEPA countries.

But that's the Foundation's problem... they have to chose bank account(s)
reasonably... the Foundation is not UK-only, is it?

The only question for us is: can the Foundation handle this or does the amout
transmitted via bank account get lost somewhere in the depth of the Foundation's
- well, I don't know how to call this "natively". ;)

/al

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Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

[Martijn van Exel]

>
> Similar ideas were discussed at the London hack weekend recently. But we 
> need, you know, people to code it.
>
That's the thing. I started this discussion and am glad to see there's
a lot of good input. I've done three things to get started doing my
bit:

* subscribed to rails-dev
* cloned the rails repo to my machine
* pulled my 'Agile web development with Rails'[1] book from the shelf.

See you in a month or so ;)

[1] http://pragprog.com/book/rails2/agile-web-development-with-rails
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Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

[Robert Scott]

On Friday 02 December 2011, Janko Mihelić wrote:
> I would like the system to suggest friends, based on a number of
> indicators. Something like "edits on the same place" or "edits power lines
> (bus routes, forests) like you" or "edits ways you drawn earlier" or "just
> started with openstreetmap near you, why don't you help him".
> 
> And you can select if you want the system to suggest you or not.

Similar ideas were discussed at the London hack weekend recently. But we need, 
you know, people to code it.


robert.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Funding drive – Improving OSM reliability and performance

[Tom Hughes]

On 02/12/11 16:45, Steve Doerr wrote:

On 02/12/2011 16:26, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 02/12/11 16:13, Andreas Labres wrote:


What is interesting for all of us living in European counties:

Can donations be made via SEPA money transfer to the bank account of
the foundation?


I may be wrong but I think the foundation only has a UK sterling
account which means that the technical answer may be yes, in that the
UK is part of SEPA but the practical answer may be no in that a UK
bank will want to levy silly fees.



On the contrary, many UK banks do participate in SEPA and are therefore
obliged to treat SEPA transfers from other participating banks in the
same way as domestic transfers.


The critical point, and wikipedia makes this clear, is that they are 
only obliged to treat them the same as domestic Euro transfers.


As there generally no domestic Euro transfers in the UK they can happily 
levy large fees for such transfers and then levy those same large fees 
for transfers from other SEPA countries.


Tom

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL and publishing source data

[Jonathan Harley]

On 01/12/11 00:33, James Livingston wrote:


On 1 December 2011 00:18, Jonathan Harley > wrote:


By way of analogy: suppose I sent you a private email which
included a license saying if you publicly use my email, you must
share with me any other emails you combine it with. My email sits
in your inbox together with other emails, and you can do searches
across all of them. If it's a unix system, they're probably all in
one single file. But have you really "combined" my email with your
other private emails? My email is sitting there unmodified and
completely independent of all your other private emails; it is not
itself combined with them. So no, "storing next to" is not
"combining". You can safely share a screenshot of your mail
program without having to send me all your other private emails.


The problem with analogies is that they are analogies and aren't the 
same as the original thing. As a similar one, what if instead you sent 
me your mailbox rather than a single email, and I imported all your 
mail into mine (so are probably stored in the same file). Although 
none of the actual data (emails) have changes, they are stored 
together (possible even in a SQL database rather than flat files).


I don't know if that would count as two collective databases or a 
single derived database.


As long as you can still tell which emails came from my mailbox, then 
definitely collective. Being stored together does not form a derivative 
database.


(I think we may have some terminology confusion here: in IT we tend to 
think of a database as "all the data that can be accessed through this 
software" - but when lawyers say database they really mean dataset, and 
how it is stored and retrieved isn't relevant.)


If your mail software threw away some of the header information in my 
emails (specifically the envelope-to field) so that you could no longer 
separately search my emails and your emails if you wanted to, that would 
probably be a derivative database.




If the rendering of the second output depends on the first
dataset, the Produced Work created from the second dataset is not
independent of of the first dataset.


No, the produced work isn't independent of it, but the datasets
are still independent of each other, that's my point.


My point is that to actually do the rendering, you will have created a 
single database containing both datasets in the process (albeit 
possible as transient in-memory data structures). I don't think we're 
really disagreeing, just both unsure as to where the line is and 
guessing on different sides :)




I think we may be just making different assumptions about what rendering 
involves? I was thinking of a simplistic renderer that would simply 
examine each map feature independently and decide whether/how to render 
it based on what had already been rendered (for example onto a tile), 
but you're right, another way would be to build an in-memory structure 
representing parts of both and then do something with the combination.


I don't really think that in-memory data structures count as databases, 
though. The ODbL says "using this Database... to create a Produced Work 
does not create a Derivative Database". I would have thought that the 
software doing its work would count as "use" for this purpose.


It seems to me that this would be something a future version of ODbL 
could be clearer on, though.



Jonathan.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Funding drive – Improving OSM reliability and performance

[Steve Doerr]

On 02/12/2011 16:26, Tom Hughes wrote:

On 02/12/11 16:13, Andreas Labres wrote:


What is interesting for all of us living in European counties:

Can donations be made via SEPA money transfer to the bank account of 
the foundation?


I may be wrong but I think the foundation only has a UK sterling 
account which means that the technical answer may be yes, in that the 
UK is part of SEPA but the practical answer may be no in that a UK 
bank will want to levy silly fees.




On the contrary, many UK banks do participate in SEPA and are therefore 
obliged to treat SEPA transfers from other participating banks in the 
same way as domestic transfers. SEPA maintains a list of participating 
banks on their web site. You need to check the specific SWIFT code of 
the bank account concerned - for instance, some bits of Lloyds Banking 
Group are participants but, last time I looked, Halifax (part of LBG) 
was not. I have a Portuguese euro bank account with BBVA (a Spanish 
bank) and when I request an international transfer on their web site, I 
have to select the target bank's SWIFT code from a list and it tells me 
immediately whether that bank is a SEPA participant or not. 
Surprisingly, being in a different currency doesn't seem to make a 
difference to the rules about equal treatment.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

[Janko Mihelić]

I would like the system to suggest friends, based on a number of
indicators. Something like "edits on the same place" or "edits power lines
(bus routes, forests) like you" or "edits ways you drawn earlier" or "just
started with openstreetmap near you, why don't you help him".

And you can select if you want the system to suggest you or not.

Janko
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Re: [OSM-talk] Funding drive – Improving OSM reliability and performance

[Tom Hughes]

On 02/12/11 16:13, Andreas Labres wrote:


What is interesting for all of us living in European counties:

Can donations be made via SEPA money transfer to the bank account of the 
foundation?


I may be wrong but I think the foundation only has a UK sterling account 
which means that the technical answer may be yes, in that the UK is part 
of SEPA but the practical answer may be no in that a UK bank will want 
to levy silly fees.


Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

[Andreas Labres]

On 01.12.11 13:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> shouldn't that be the other way round? Everyone can edit your wiki user page.

Good point! Yes, the "social data" should be edited under the OSM realm.

/al

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Re: [OSM-talk] Funding drive – Improving OSM reliability and performance

[Andreas Labres]

Harry,

What is interesting for all of us living in European counties:

Can donations be made via SEPA money transfer to the bank account of the 
foundation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area

If yes, this should be stated somewhere on the website.

/al

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