Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[Matthias Meißer]

I agree with Kate, that we shouldn't stop any HOT action by the 
demonstration. Greying out the U.S. with a "here was once a land known 
as 'land of the free' would be a real cool thing, as its a kind of 
protest thats just possible for OSM. But I absolutly understand, that 
it's quiet hard to change that within the remaining time :/


bye
Matthias



Am 17.01.2012 00:09, schrieb Kate Chapman:

As HOT is working on the ground in Haiti and Indonesia this week and
additionally helping with a flood response in the Philippines I would
suggest we don't do that.  On Wednesday there are workshops going on
in the St Marc area of Haiti introducing people in that area to OSM
for the first time.

It is true there has been downtime during previous HOT missions and we
have ways of getting around it I don't think it helps us move forward
with people using/updating OpenStreetMap.

Maybe a banner or something instead?

As a U.S. voter I'm sorry about the whole SOPA mess.

Best,

-Kate



2012/1/17 Matthias Meißer:

Hi,

first of all, sorry for bringing political discussions to the community, as
I always understand OSM as a political neutral space (we do creating maps,
nothing else).
But some of you might noticed that _Wikipedia will make a downtime_ at
Wednesday as a form of protest against the Stop Piracy Act (SOPA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOPA

As this law endangers the creation and exchange of free material, too
('shutdown OSM/jamendo/.../ as it seems that they copied my property!'), I
would like to ask, if we might support the wikipedia action?

I have no idea, if this could be technicaly done by the Admins, or what kind
of protest (complete shutdown, serving demo tiles, locking database, ... a
banner) would be accepted by the most of us. I just like to notify you, and
maybe start a discussion.

thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk] Prishtina and Tirana Buses websites

[Besfort Guri]

Gregory, I was present there when the Albanian Guys present the Tirana
buses and they give to me a promise that they are going to use
OpenStreetMap, but this app - or project was done for limited time so they
are going to change soon and to make a dynamic web for lines buses because
it is so static, I mean they are interested to do something like Prishitna
Buses

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Gregory wrote:

> What would it take for the tirana buses website to use OpenStreetMap?
> I know a few people who go to Burrel via Tirana about once a year and I
> have links with some people that live in Albania.
>
> It would be great if I could tell them OpenStreetMap is being used in
> Albania, to make a break from going on about OSM in England.
>
> Gregory.
>
> On 12 January 2012 14:58, Mike Dupont wrote:
>
>> Hello world,
>>
>> FYI there is a lauch party for the prishtina kosovo bus site, made by
>> flossk with unicef innovation labs kosovo that uses osm tonight :
>> http://www.prishtinabuses.info/
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/116226098494633/
>> www.flossk.org/en/blog/prishtinabuses-launchparty
>> there should be some live stream of the event
>>
>> Also there is the tirana buses which is worth mentioning, they are using
>> google maps...
>> http://www.tiranabuses.com
>>
>> happy new year 2012,
>> mike
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[OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines (was: Re: what is happening here - potlatch oddness with orange highlights?)

[Maarten Deen]

On 2012-01-16 23:27, Robin Paulson wrote:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407&lon=174.741523&zoom=19

the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do 
that?


Just a hint on mapping (not to Robin in particular): I think it is 
unnecessary to cut up landuse=residential areas just because there is a 
road there. The road itself is as much part of the residential area as 
the ground the houses stand on. IMHO there is no reason not to make the 
landuse=residential be contiguous across multiple roads.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[Mike Dupont]

I agree with you Nick, I really do. But I have reconsidered my view in
light of affect that such draconian laws will have on community
websites.

from what I understand is that the OSM site could experience problems
under SOPA when someone introduces a link spam.

"One of the many issues with SOPA that is so offensive is that it
allows any and all sites with links to copyrighted content to be
summarily blocked. A recent amendment has made this even more
egregious, allowing ISPs to block entire domains even when a court
order specifies one certain link or page."
http://www.geekosystem.com/anti-sopa-petition-whitehouse/

The point is, OSM has a way to deal with spam, it does not need the us
government getting involved in policing its wikis, database etc.
also the history would have to be purged of these links etc.

mike

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> Wouldn't it be more advisable (and I mean MUCH more advisable),
> to keep OSM, and these lists as a site about maps and mapping
> rather than become a political activism site.
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[Nick Hocking]

Wouldn't it be more advisable (and I mean MUCH more advisable),
to keep OSM, and these lists as a site about maps and mapping
rather than become a political activism site.
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 17 January 2012 01:19, Sven Clement  wrote:
> Hey!
>
> Why not reconfigure mapnik to render the US boundary polygon with a
> black fill during the sopablackout?
>
> Would send a message without influencing HOT ;)

It would be tricky because the affected tiles would have to be removed
from the cache before and after the blackout.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[Sven Clement]

Hey!

Why not reconfigure mapnik to render the US boundary polygon with a
black fill during the sopablackout?

Would send a message without influencing HOT ;)

Sven

This message was sent from my smartphone, thus I ask you to forgive me
typos and my briefness

On 17.01.2012, at 00:25, Joseph Reeves  wrote:

> Wikipedia, I imagine, has a large following of users that are unaware
> of SOPA; their blackout will introduce the issue to an enormous number
> of Internet users. I don't think an OSM blackout would have a similar
> effect.
>
> Many map nerds would no doubt be inconvenienced, however.
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/1/16 Matthias Meißer :
>> Hi,
>>
>> first of all, sorry for bringing political discussions to the community, as
>> I always understand OSM as a political neutral space (we do creating maps,
>> nothing else).
>> But some of you might noticed that _Wikipedia will make a downtime_ at
>> Wednesday as a form of protest against the Stop Piracy Act (SOPA)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOPA
>>
>> As this law endangers the creation and exchange of free material, too
>> ('shutdown OSM/jamendo/.../ as it seems that they copied my property!'), I
>> would like to ask, if we might support the wikipedia action?
>>
>> I have no idea, if this could be technicaly done by the Admins, or what kind
>> of protest (complete shutdown, serving demo tiles, locking database, ... a
>> banner) would be accepted by the most of us. I just like to notify you, and
>> maybe start a discussion.
>>
>> thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[Joseph Reeves]

Wikipedia, I imagine, has a large following of users that are unaware
of SOPA; their blackout will introduce the issue to an enormous number
of Internet users. I don't think an OSM blackout would have a similar
effect.

Many map nerds would no doubt be inconvenienced, however.

Joseph





2012/1/16 Matthias Meißer :
> Hi,
>
> first of all, sorry for bringing political discussions to the community, as
> I always understand OSM as a political neutral space (we do creating maps,
> nothing else).
> But some of you might noticed that _Wikipedia will make a downtime_ at
> Wednesday as a form of protest against the Stop Piracy Act (SOPA)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOPA
>
> As this law endangers the creation and exchange of free material, too
> ('shutdown OSM/jamendo/.../ as it seems that they copied my property!'), I
> would like to ask, if we might support the wikipedia action?
>
> I have no idea, if this could be technicaly done by the Admins, or what kind
> of protest (complete shutdown, serving demo tiles, locking database, ... a
> banner) would be accepted by the most of us. I just like to notify you, and
> maybe start a discussion.
>
> thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk] what is happening here - potlatch oddness with orange highlights?

[Richard Fairhurst]

SimonPoole wrote:
> (I've been petitioning RichardF to have it turned on be default, 
> but that isn't the case AFAIK).

It'll be on by default when I get a spare minute.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[Kate Chapman]

As HOT is working on the ground in Haiti and Indonesia this week and
additionally helping with a flood response in the Philippines I would
suggest we don't do that.  On Wednesday there are workshops going on
in the St Marc area of Haiti introducing people in that area to OSM
for the first time.

It is true there has been downtime during previous HOT missions and we
have ways of getting around it I don't think it helps us move forward
with people using/updating OpenStreetMap.

Maybe a banner or something instead?

As a U.S. voter I'm sorry about the whole SOPA mess.

Best,

-Kate



2012/1/17 Matthias Meißer :
> Hi,
>
> first of all, sorry for bringing political discussions to the community, as
> I always understand OSM as a political neutral space (we do creating maps,
> nothing else).
> But some of you might noticed that _Wikipedia will make a downtime_ at
> Wednesday as a form of protest against the Stop Piracy Act (SOPA)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOPA
>
> As this law endangers the creation and exchange of free material, too
> ('shutdown OSM/jamendo/.../ as it seems that they copied my property!'), I
> would like to ask, if we might support the wikipedia action?
>
> I have no idea, if this could be technicaly done by the Admins, or what kind
> of protest (complete shutdown, serving demo tiles, locking database, ... a
> banner) would be accepted by the most of us. I just like to notify you, and
> maybe start a discussion.
>
> thanks
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> (user:!i!)
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

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Black tiles, with remaining free countries.


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Re: [OSM-talk] what is happening here - potlatch oddness with orange highlights?

[Simon Poole]

Am 16.01.2012 23:27, schrieb Robin Paulson:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407&lon=174.741523&zoom=19

the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that?

You have the licence status highlighting turned on. IMHO a good idea 
(I've been petitioning RichardF to have it turned on be default, but 
that isn't the case AFAIK).


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Re: [OSM-talk] what is happening here - potlatch oddness with orange highlights?

[Richard Fairhurst]

Robin Paulson wrote:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407&lon=174.741523&zoom=19
> the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that?

You've turned on the "Show licence status" option in the options box.
That'll give any object mapped by someone who's refused the new CTs a dark
red outline; those who've neither refused nor accepted get an orange one.
More details on the wiki I think.

cheers
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[OSM-talk] what is happening here - potlatch oddness with orange highlights?

[Robin Paulson]

http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407&lon=174.741523&zoom=19

the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that?

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[OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

[Matthias Meißer]

Hi,

first of all, sorry for bringing political discussions to the community, 
as I always understand OSM as a political neutral space (we do creating 
maps, nothing else).
But some of you might noticed that _Wikipedia will make a downtime_ at 
Wednesday as a form of protest against the Stop Piracy Act (SOPA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOPA

As this law endangers the creation and exchange of free material, too 
('shutdown OSM/jamendo/.../ as it seems that they copied my property!'), 
I would like to ask, if we might support the wikipedia action?


I have no idea, if this could be technicaly done by the Admins, or what 
kind of protest (complete shutdown, serving demo tiles, locking 
database, ... a banner) would be accepted by the most of us. I just like 
to notify you, and maybe start a discussion.


thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk] Prishtina and Tirana Buses websites

[Gregory]

What would it take for the tirana buses website to use OpenStreetMap?
I know a few people who go to Burrel via Tirana about once a year and I
have links with some people that live in Albania.

It would be great if I could tell them OpenStreetMap is being used in
Albania, to make a break from going on about OSM in England.

Gregory.

On 12 January 2012 14:58, Mike Dupont wrote:

> Hello world,
>
> FYI there is a lauch party for the prishtina kosovo bus site, made by
> flossk with unicef innovation labs kosovo that uses osm tonight :
> http://www.prishtinabuses.info/
> https://www.facebook.com/events/116226098494633/
> www.flossk.org/en/blog/prishtinabuses-launchparty
> there should be some live stream of the event
>
> Also there is the tirana buses which is worth mentioning, they are using
> google maps...
> http://www.tiranabuses.com
>
> happy new year 2012,
> mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2012/1/16 Richard Weait :
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:28 AM, John Sturdy  wrote:
> Perhaps those with an interest in historic mapping can do some initial
> tests on the dev database?  That would allow them to try something
> right now and to refine the approach over time.


Richard, have a look at this area in your editor to get a perfect
example for 2 historical layers already present in the current
database:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.29533&lon=11.46637&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF

this also illustrates nicely the problems that come along with this
(it is not general rendering, it is editing of current features and
clarity, also errateous connection of current features to ones that
are long gone).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Lester Caine]

John F. Eldredge wrote:

It would make sense to have a separate render, and also to have a way to toggle 
visibility of historical data in the editor.  It would be useful if the state 
of that toggle was saved, on a per-user basis, from one editing session to the 
next.


A separate render is not a problem here as in many cases you want to view for a 
particular date. The toggle has to be the end_date as adding anything else is 
pointless. Even if the data we are discussing is 'archived' to another database, 
a 'current' renderer needs to respect, and ignore data via the end_date flag 
anyway? Does mapnik currently respect that?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[John F. Eldredge]

Chillly  wrote:

> John Sturdy  wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Edgars II 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> For something like this, where there is very limited overlap
> between
> >past
> >> and present, it makes sense to use a separate database. But in
> cases
> >where
> >> most of the features still exist, such as railways or Roman roads,
> >it's
> >> silly to duplicate the effort between databases (or somehow require
> >everyone
> >> improving a way in one to upload it to the other and fix all
> >intersections).
> >
> >Agreed.
> >
> >As long as the tagging used is such that things that no longer exist
> >are not normally rendered (and only show as thin outlines on standard
> >editors) I think including historic data shouldn't be a problem.
> >Compared with the amount of modern ("current") data, there's not
> >really that much of it, anyway, so its effect on the storage
> >requirements is going to be fairly small; and we still meet the
> >requirement of the most accurate map of what is current.
> >
> >__John
> 
> There is an abandoned railway line near me which has become reused as
> a cycle trail. The cycle trail had a name so someone who wanted to add
> a name to the railway created a separate way with the railway tags on
> it and its name. The modern cycleway and abandoned railway are the
> same physical structure, so two ways is, IMHO, one too many. If the
> naming issue (and any other repeated tags ) can be resolved having
> historical data in the db seems fine to me. Road naming could suffer
> the same issue with a modern name and, say, a roman name. Named
> relations may be over the top.
> 
> Rendering such historic data on the default Mapnik render is another
> thing. Displaying historic stuff that is not visible now deserves its
> own separate render.
> 
> Cheers, Chris
> User chillly

It would make sense to have a separate render, and also to have a way to toggle 
visibility of historical data in the editor.  It would be useful if the state 
of that toggle was saved, on a per-user basis, from one editing session to the 
next.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Chillly]

John Sturdy  wrote:

>On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Edgars II 
>wrote:
>
>> For something like this, where there is very limited overlap between
>past
>> and present, it makes sense to use a separate database. But in cases
>where
>> most of the features still exist, such as railways or Roman roads,
>it's
>> silly to duplicate the effort between databases (or somehow require
>everyone
>> improving a way in one to upload it to the other and fix all
>intersections).
>
>Agreed.
>
>As long as the tagging used is such that things that no longer exist
>are not normally rendered (and only show as thin outlines on standard
>editors) I think including historic data shouldn't be a problem.
>Compared with the amount of modern ("current") data, there's not
>really that much of it, anyway, so its effect on the storage
>requirements is going to be fairly small; and we still meet the
>requirement of the most accurate map of what is current.
>
>__John

There is an abandoned railway line near me which has become reused as a cycle 
trail. The cycle trail had a name so someone who wanted to add a name to the 
railway created a separate way with the railway tags on it and its name. The 
modern cycleway and abandoned railway are the same physical structure, so two 
ways is, IMHO, one too many. If the naming issue (and any other repeated tags ) 
can be resolved having historical data in the db seems fine to me. Road naming 
could suffer the same issue with a modern name and, say, a roman name. Named 
relations may be over the top.

Rendering such historic data on the default Mapnik render is another thing. 
Displaying historic stuff that is not visible now deserves its own separate 
render.

Cheers, Chris
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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Richard Weait]

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:28 AM, John Sturdy  wrote:
> As long as the tagging used is such that things that no longer exist
> are not normally rendered (and only show as thin outlines on standard
> editors) I think including historic data shouldn't be a problem.
> Compared with the amount of modern ("current") data, there's not
> really that much of it, anyway, so its effect on the storage
> requirements is going to be fairly small; and we still meet the
> requirement of the most accurate map of what is current.

Perhaps those with an interest in historic mapping can do some initial
tests on the dev database?  That would allow them to try something
right now and to refine the approach over time.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Lester Caine]

John Sturdy wrote:

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:


For something like this, where there is very limited overlap between past
and present, it makes sense to use a separate database. But in cases where
most of the features still exist, such as railways or Roman roads, it's
silly to duplicate the effort between databases (or somehow require everyone
improving a way in one to upload it to the other and fix all intersections).


Agreed.

As long as the tagging used is such that things that no longer exist
are not normally rendered (and only show as thin outlines on standard
editors) I think including historic data shouldn't be a problem.
Compared with the amount of modern ("current") data, there's not
really that much of it, anyway, so its effect on the storage
requirements is going to be fairly small; and we still meet the
requirement of the most accurate map of what is current.


This has been my argument all along. The majority of the historic mapping 
locally is simply add the date when a road was constructed, but there are very 
small sections of roads that have been re-routed and it does seem ridiculous to 
have to go to a second database for just a few extra lines of data. We simply 
need to apply the end_date tag consistently rather than looking at ways to move 
that data to a second database?


There is data that is better supported by a secondary database, such as perhaps 
the movements and location of troops during an engagement, but the historic 
development of ground features is swamped by start_date information. This does 
of cause leave a grey area with administrative boundaries. Something that 
changes quite regularly in the UK at least. The history changes here are best 
managed as secondary data, in which case, the 'current' view would just be 
synchronised from that database and changes of country names, boundaries, and 
other 'political' data would be edited in the secondary database first? I'm sure 
that other examples would also make sense?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2012/1/16 John Sturdy :
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> As long as the tagging used is such that things that no longer exist
> are not normally rendered (and only show as thin outlines on standard
> editors) I think including historic data shouldn't be a problem.


it still is (or could become) a problem, because you will have it in
the editor. There is a German user who added historic data for a small
area,
have a look at this in your editor:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.29533&lon=11.46637&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF


> Compared with the amount of modern ("current") data, there's not
> really that much of it, anyway, so its effect on the storage
> requirements is going to be fairly small;


-1, obviously there is (potentially) much more historic features in
almost any area then there is now. Think about cities and demolished
buildings.

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[John Sturdy]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:

> For something like this, where there is very limited overlap between past
> and present, it makes sense to use a separate database. But in cases where
> most of the features still exist, such as railways or Roman roads, it's
> silly to duplicate the effort between databases (or somehow require everyone
> improving a way in one to upload it to the other and fix all intersections).

Agreed.

As long as the tagging used is such that things that no longer exist
are not normally rendered (and only show as thin outlines on standard
editors) I think including historic data shouldn't be a problem.
Compared with the amount of modern ("current") data, there's not
really that much of it, anyway, so its effect on the storage
requirements is going to be fairly small; and we still meet the
requirement of the most accurate map of what is current.

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[OSM-talk] moderation

[Mikel Maron]

Hello

With absolute clarity

* legal-talk@ is the place for discussion of license details. That does include 
specific questions on application of the license, remapping, OSMF policy, etc. 
Any further posts on legal subjects on talk@ will result in moderation.
* talk@ is being actively moderated. If you have any issues with moderation, or 
notice a thread that needs moderation, do not post about it on talk. That 
doesn't help dampen down the noise on this list.
* the Etiquette guidelines apply to all 
lists http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

[Andrew Ayre]

On 1/16/2012 12:11 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 13:03 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> In my perception legal-talk is not meant to be a ghetto but it is an
>> attempt to sort things thematically to keep talk readable (i.e. reduce
>> traffic) also for those that don't want to discuss continuously on
>> legal issues. Please respect that these people exist (numerously), and
>> discuss license issues in legal talk. 
> 
> I can confirm that at least one of us exists.

I exist too. I hope for more aggressive moderation of OSM-talk in the
future. Either that or just hurry up and get the license change over and
done with.

Andy

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[OSM-talk] OSMF's tainting decisions (Re: Mixing OSM and FOSM data)

[Nathan Edgars II]

On 1/15/2012 9:38 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:

The OSMF seems determined to avoid any edge cases by being very
conservative.


Maybe in some cases, but with respect to splitting and joining ways, 
they're being extremely liberal and assuming that a new way ID is a new 
way wrt licensing. That is, unless they're not going to follow the 
precedent of the existing tools, in which case we're in rather deep shit.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 13:03 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> In my perception legal-talk is not meant to be a ghetto but it is an
> attempt to sort things thematically to keep talk readable (i.e. reduce
> traffic) also for those that don't want to discuss continuously on
> legal issues. Please respect that these people exist (numerously), and
> discuss license issues in legal talk. 

I can confirm that at least one of us exists.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2012/1/16 Russ Nelson :
> The OSMF seems determined to avoid any edge cases by being very
> conservative. Is that necessary? I'm pretty sure not, but it's what
> we're going to have to live with.


+1


> So, I repeat, the decisions made by
> the OSMF about what will and won't be deleted from the database have
> nothing to do with what the law *actually* requires, and there's no
> reason why they should be discussed in the legal-talk ghetto.


In my perception legal-talk is not meant to be a ghetto but it is an
attempt to sort things thematically to keep talk readable (i.e. reduce
traffic) also for those that don't want to discuss continuously on
legal issues. Please respect that these people exist (numerously), and
discuss license issues in legal talk.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

[Joseph Reeves]

> Is this the sort of thing you had in mind
> (http://maps3.org.uk/tiles/historic_layers.html)?

That looks great, thanks for sharing!

Joseph



On 15 January 2012 22:44, Graham Jones  wrote:
>
>>>
>>> This requires a renderer / display set up that allows the use to select
>>> what features you want and filter out those you don't.
>>>
>>>  The rendrering engine will require significant enhancement to support
>>> selectable layers unless I have missed something.
>>
>>
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> Is this the sort of thing you had in mind
> (http://maps3.org.uk/tiles/historic_layers.html)?
>
> It has a VERY crude filtering of prehistoric / Roman / medieval and 'modern'
> historic features, and an even rougher rendering of those features.   (to do
> it properly we will need either civlization/period tags, or start/end dates,
> and spend a lot more time on the presentation than I have!).
>
> But, there is a layer switcher on the right hand side of the map where you
> can select a base map (I used the standard OSM rendering and cycle map,
> because I thought that if we do it for real, we would want a topographic
> base layer more than a motorway network?)
> Each layer is rendered a bit differently so you can see them change when you
> switch them on and off.
>
> Note that I have not rendered much of the map - it will get very slow as you
> zoom in, because it will start to render the map on demand, and my database
> seems a bit slow for some reason
>
> There are obviously lots of improvements - at the very least a link to an
> editor like we have on the brewmap, so you can correct things that are
> tagged incorrectly, then different icons for different types of features
> within the layers (they are all the same at the moment).
>
> There is a 'how it works' section at the bottom of the map if you are
> curious about how I have done it.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
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