Re: [OSM-talk] Nice problem to have

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 03/09/12 01:10, Martijn van Exel wrote:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/08/apple-using-openstreetmap-data-in-iphoto-for-ios/
- interesting to see the irrational Apple fanboy commentary..


It's a recurring motive. Company switches to OSM - users complain. 
Almost identical statements can be found in the discussion threads from 
Skobbler's switch to OSM in the beginning of 2010 (two years ago - they 
should get a honourable mention on switch2osm.org!), or when 
geocaching.com started using OSM, or Foursquare, or now, Apple.


In most of these cases, the company making the switch took great care to 
explain to their users/customers why they were doing it, and what 
advantages they saw (even those for whom it was a pure, un-emotional 
business decision). This often helped take the edge out of the switch. 
Over and above what was required by the license, many of these companies 
also supported OSM with funds, data, or application development (or at 
least promised to do so).


I shall be interested to see what Apple's communications strategy is 
towards OSM.


I'm a stranger to the Apple world but if they are subject to the same 
kinds of cock-ups as ordinary companies then I'd guess that this might 
well be a temporary thing, where their homemade solution wasn't ready by 
the deadline and so they quickly needed something else to fill in. 
Nobody who seriously considers working with OSM would use data that is 
almost two years old?


Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code

[Parveen Arora]

Hi All,

We were having very strong list of ideas in last two years as compared
to this year.
You can evaluate this thing from the following links.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2011

and

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2012

According to me we need to go for more ideas immediately as today is
the last day of submitting the applications and after that Google will
start evaluating to select organisations and may be will assign slots
accordingly.

So I request all to please spend a little time If you thinks you are
having a good idea that should or can be implemented in OSM.


Thank You.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Nice problem to have

[Kai Krueger]

Richard Fairhurst wrote
> 
> * More contributors. We've had people come into IRC saying "I want to 
> fix this park name, how do I do it?". Regular IRCers have been reporting 
> a noticeably greater number of new editors in their areas. Or as someone 
> just asked on IRC: "hmm did the apple fanbois drink the OSM koolaid and 
> crash our servers with zealous mapping?"
> 
Just to add some numbers to this claim. This week (beginning on the 1st of
March) there were a little more than 2300 mappers who have contributed the
first time to OSM[*]. This is considerable more than the average of 1300 -
1400 new mappers per week in the recent past. This imho shows that the
publicity of Apple and Foursquare using OSM directly resulted in new mappers
for OSM. Although it isn't the complete record, that was around the 13th of
September 2009 (anyone know if there was a special occasion arount that
time?), it is the second highest number yet. Furthermore, with the news so
fresh, perhaps we will still beat the record.

The complete graph can be found at
http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/new_mappers_per_week.eps and I'll
hopefully soon update the graph on the wiki stats page (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats )

Kai

[*] The statistic is calculated from the weekly changeset dump. I.e. the
week in which an account first shows up in the changeset files, i.e. their
first edit. There are currently 233002 out of 554709 accounts who show up in
the changeset file or 42%. 


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[OSM-talk] Nice problem to have

[Richard Fairhurst]

* 3500 tiles per second. Seriously. In Grant's words on Twitter: 
"Massive jump in #OpenStreetMap traffic due 2 Apple news: t.co/nB4ffgYy 
Fighting fires 2 keep systems up"


* switch2osm.org fell over. Yep, so many people wanting to find out 
about switching to OpenStreetMap that WordPress crapped itself (ok, not 
the hardest target but hey ;) ).


* More contributors. We've had people come into IRC saying "I want to 
fix this park name, how do I do it?". Regular IRCers have been reporting 
a noticeably greater number of new editors in their areas. Or as someone 
just asked on IRC: "hmm did the apple fanbois drink the OSM koolaid and 
crash our servers with zealous mapping?"


* I think we've had a higher peak of publicity today than we've ever had 
- higher than the Foursquare switch even, or the Google vandalism 
incident. We've been Slashdotted; we're #6 on Hacker News. We've been on 
The Verge, Forbes, Wired, Ars, Gizmodo, and all the Mac sites - that's 
taking OSM to people who've not heard of us before. We might not be the 
front page of the New York Times yet, but we're getting there!


* And one of the best things has been that people like how we've handled 
it. From Forbes: "OpenStreetMap itself has been much more polite about 
the whole thing. 'It’s really positive for us,' OSM founder Steve Coast 
told Talking Points Memo, 'It’s great to see more people in the industry 
using OSM. We do have concerns that there wasn’t attribution.'."
From a comment at Hacker News: "While I think it's quite messed up 
that a company as rich as Apple can't abide putting credits for people 
who have put some really good work in (I've even made small updates to 
OSM in my time) I do think that this is a very classy move by the OSM 
people, no ranting blog post or 'Apple stole our stuff', welcoming 
people presents a much better image of the project."
Or The Verge: "Granted, OSM took this as an opportunity to get in 
the public eye by piggybacking on the iPad’s media fanfare; I applaud 
them for their maturity in their statement though. Many companies 
would’ve latched onto this and unleashed the lawyers threatening this 
and that, but they chose to be civil, point out the missing 
attributions, and say they are ‘we look forward to working with Apple to 
get that on there.’ A little civility goes a long way (in my book). I’m 
quite sick of the mudslinging in this space."


Thanks to everyone who's put the hours in today, to all the coders and 
sysadmins who sweat blood to not only keep OSM running but make it 
easier and faster... and to every single mapper making a map so amazing 
that everyone _wants_ to use it.


cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[simon]

It probably didn't need confirming, but they are definately using OSM in
Alberta Canada.

See:
http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/leaflet-apple.php?lat=49.59096213207666&lon=-114.38767433166504&z=14

The footpaths in the center of this map are small paths in the Frank Slide
(the 90 million tonnes of rock which fell off Turtle mountain on April 29,
1903 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Slide).

I traced these a couple of years ago, 100% certain that they won't be on
any other map.

Simon


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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Hendrik Oesterlin]

"Richard Fairhurst" rich...@systemed.net wrote on 08/03/2012 at 11:06:02 +1100
subject "[OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps" :

> Spod wrote:
>> http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/

> http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html (thanks Dair!) will show you the tiles
> they're using.

> Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...

In New Caledonia, it is an old version of OSM too.
http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/leaflet-apple.php?lat=-22.2697568996882&lon=166.44330024719238&z=14

Apple seems to be available only to zoom 14 (?)

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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Paul,

No, they bought data from a provider that took it from us. Once Waze
realised this they deleted everything
(http://www.waze.com/blog/thanks-and-huge-apology-to-the-openstreetmap-community/).

Regards,

Julio Costa Zambelli
OpenStreetMap Chile

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http://www.openstreetmap.cl/
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On 8 March 2012 14:15, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli
>  wrote:
>
>> The map has the same easter eggs as Waze OSM import did in early 2010
>> (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/053579.html),
>> so I agree with Richards time frame estimate.
>
> Waze is using OSM?  When did this start?  Are they contributing data back?
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli
 wrote:

> The map has the same easter eggs as Waze OSM import did in early 2010
> (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/053579.html),
> so I agree with Richards time frame estimate.

Waze is using OSM?  When did this start?  Are they contributing data back?

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Problems with android phones

[Brian Wolford]

I had been using GPS Status with an Xperia X10 I was using and was not able
to fix the problem with the incorrect NTP using the download AGPS data
option.

Will continue to observe the problem..

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com <
jaa...@helleranta.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys for the tips.
>
> Simone's GPS Status (& Toolbox) fixed the GPS fix problem of my Samsung
> Galaxy Tab 7" (running Android 2.2) in less than 10 minutes (total)! No
> need for rooting, not to mention sending the device back for repair :)
>
> I thought that it would make sense to add this kind of information (as in
> Useful tips for mappers for solving problems with Android) somewhere with a
> sensible URL. So I did and added the key information from this thread to
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android . If someone thinks there'd be
> a better place for this information pls let me know and I'm happy to move
> the information there.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jaakko
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> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Simone Cortesi wrote:
>
>> I've been using GPS Status & Toolbox
>> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2&hl=en
>> with success, it allows you to download AGPS data beforehand.
>>
>> does not require root privileges.
>>
>> -S
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 15:57, Brian Wolford 
>> wrote:
>> > Hey,
>> > So there has been a problem with some androids I have encountered and
>> met
>> > another person running into the same problems.
>> > Some phones were taking very long times to get GPS fixes (ussually not
>> at
>> > all) and after they did they were putting points out in Jamaica or the
>> ocean
>> > south of Cuba.
>> >
>> > A common thread between the problem phones seemed to be that they were
>> from
>> > Europe. North American phones seemed to have no problem.
>> > So the solution seems to be changing the NTP server in the  'gps.conf'
>> file
>> > to the North American server.
>> >
>> > This can be accomplished two ways:
>> > 1: The app
>> > FasterFix
>> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.Double.FasterFix&hl=en
>> > 2:
>> > Manually
>> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/fix-your-european-android-gps-lock-manually/
>> >
>> > You of course need to be a 'root' user. But you should do that when
>> unboxing
>> > anyway.
>> >
>> > This is caused by using Assisted GPS (A-GPS) for the first point, which
>> uses
>> > the network to get faster fixes.
>> >
>> > Thought this would be useful to share and hopefully save some headaches.
>> > -brian
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

OpenStreetMap data in Chile.

The map has the same easter eggs as Waze OSM import did in early 2010
(http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/053579.html),
so I agree with Richards time frame estimate.

Regards,

Julio Costa Zambelli
OpenStreetMap Chile

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On 8 March 2012 01:10, maning sambale  wrote:
> I confirm that Apple is using OSM in the Philippines.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Richard Fairhurst  
> wrote:
>> Spod wrote:
>>> http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/
>>
>> http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html (thanks Dair!) will show you the tiles
>> they're using.
>>
>> Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...
>>
>> cheers
>> Richard
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Maarten Deen]

Oh yes, it's OSM. I've been mapping a lot of forest tracks in my 
neighborhood [1] and indicated some tracks that I didn't walk with only 
a short stub.

Apple has all these stubs.
It also has all the local names that Google does not have and that are 
a combination of dutch AND data, BAG data and local knowledge


Also in a different region [2] Apple has exactly the features I drew 
and which are not in Google.


No way that comes from a different source. It is OSM.

The data is quite old though. I would think at least before last 
summer.


[1] 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.30845&lon=6.0062&zoom=15&layers=M
[2] 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.40873&lon=6.088&zoom=15&layers=M


Regards,
Maarten

On 2012-03-08 11:58, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Yes, it is OSM. Look at the layout of the footpaths on that 
green/open

area in the Portsmouth example.

I actually remember surveying that as part of the Portsmouth mapping
party a couple of years ago...
There are other footpaths on that green area which I didn't get time
to do. And they're not on the map. ;-)

Nick

-Richard Fairhurst  [8] wrote: -


To: talk@openstreetmap.org [1]
From: Richard Fairhurst  [2]
Date: 08/03/2012 12:06AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

Spod wrote:

http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/ [3]


http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html [4] (thanks Dair!) will show
you the tiles
they're using.

Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Nick Whitelegg]

Yes, it is OSM.  Look at the layout of the footpaths on that green/open area in 
the Portsmouth example.

I actually remember surveying that as part of the Portsmouth mapping party a 
couple of years ago... 
There are other footpaths on that green area which I didn't get time to do. And 
they're not on the map. ;-)

Nick

-Richard Fairhurst  wrote: -
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
From: Richard Fairhurst 
Date: 08/03/2012 12:06AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

Spod wrote:
> http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/

http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html (thanks Dair!) will show you the tiles
they're using.

Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Richard Fairhurst]

On 08/03/2012 10:41, Yves wrote:

I think this is part of the fun searching for the datasource, there is
no attribution, right?


Indeed. A couple of us are having discussions about how to get this 
addressed. Stay tuned.


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

[Nick Whitelegg]

>As for the data consumers, Australia does have one great advantage: you're
>an island (albeit a big one!). That makes it perfectly possible for data
>consumers to use pre-1st April Australia data and post-1st April for the
>rest of the world - probably three lines of Osmosis or so, and a slightly
>longer attribution statement. (No integration between the datasets, it's
>just a collective work.)

That is interesting to know from my POV too for Freemap, as I could presumably 
put Hampshire in one database and the rest of the covered area in another
if it came to that.

However, it now sounds like Andy could be willing to re-licence his data which 
is really good news, so the problem might not happen.

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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Yves]

I think this is part of the fun searching for the datasource, there is no 
attribution, right?
Yves


Chris Hill  a écrit :

Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> Looks like they're using a old (pre-2011) planet dump for the data.

Yep, we've now pinned it down to 1st-7th April 2010.

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Surely it's easy to tell what data source Apple are using, they will have 
stated that in their attribution, won't they?


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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Joseph Reeves]

>From the original I saw on your overlay, Les Madriles appears to be the German:

http://gsp2.apple.com/tile?api=1&style=slideshow&layers=default&lang=de_DE&z=7&x=62&y=48&v=9

Swapping to en_US looks more familiar

http://gsp2.apple.com/tile?api=1&style=slideshow&layers=default&lang=en_US&z=7&x=62&y=48&v=9

Having said that, you can type in any old rubbish language parameter
and it comes up with Los Madriles:

http://gsp2.apple.com/tile?api=1&style=slideshow&layers=default&lang=_&z=7&x=62&y=48&v=9

Presumably that's the default spelling it returns if you request a
language that Apple doesn't provide tiles for.

Cheers, Joseph



2012/3/8 Iván Sánchez Ortega :
> On Jueves, 8 de Marzo de 2012 01:41:22 andrzej zaborowski escribió:
>> Great :) -- Madrid is rendered with a name worthy of a map prank,
>> although it would fit loc_name too.
>
> I'm guessing that's an old toponym, now deleted from OSM. But we Madrileños
> refer to our city as that sometimes :-)
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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Chris Hill]

Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> Looks like they're using a old (pre-2011) planet dump for the data.

Yep, we've now pinned it down to 1st-7th April 2010.

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Re: [OSM-talk] QGIS v MapInfo observations

[Maurizio Napolitano]

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 01:49, mick  wrote:
> I have been using MapInfo since about 1995 and QGIS for the last year or so 
> and have noticed some real differences in usability that I would like to 
> share.

Some qgis users read your email and now discuss about :)

Here the first message
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-user/2012-March/015809.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

[Andreas Labres]

Same for Austria (look for the paths in the forests):

Vienna:
http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/leaflet-apple.php?lat=48.22255689468653&lon=16.288175582885742&z=14


Innsbruck:
http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/leaflet-apple.php?lat=47.258844656108685&lon=11.40878677368164&z=14


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