[OSM-talk] ODbL Attribution

[Jochen Topf]

In preparation for the release of an ODbL-Licensed planet I have been looking
around what the official proper attribution will be, so that I can update all
sites where I am using OSM data. I didn't find anything on the Wiki.

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[OSM-talk] What's new in cartography

[Steve Chilton]

Find out what's is new in cartography at the ICA Neocartography workshop, UCL 
Sept 5th
Details and registration (it's free) at:
http://neocartography.icaci.org/

There may well be sessions of interest to you at the Society of Cartographers 
Conference.
Presenters include David Earl, Andy Allan, Harry Wood, Ollie O'Brien and Steve 
Chilton.
Details and booking at: http://www.soc2012.soc.org.uk/


Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward

[Graham Stewart (GrahamS)]

Rob Nickerson wrote
> 
> What's your wish-list?

I'd love to see a fully-featured editor that can be used in the field,
running on GPS-enabled smartphones and tablets.

How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood
right next to it? 
I imagine entering the way's name and type, then simply walking along it to
add it, perhaps adding other nodes and features as you go.

Hopefully Richard Fairhurst's iD project, creating a new editor in
Javascript, is the beginning of such a tool: http://www.geowiki.com/





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Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL Attribution

[Richard Fairhurst]

Jochen123 wrote:
> In preparation for the release of an ODbL-Licensed planet I have been 
> looking around what the official proper attribution will be, so that I can 
> update all sites where I am using OSM data. I didn't find anything on 
> the Wiki.

A couple of months back I wrote
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ/ODbL

and threw it out for review by people.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed

[Simone Cortesi]

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:

> There is a visualization of errors at http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/
>
> Many of the errors appear to be short errors between ways that became
> disconnected. More complicated errors are often best fixed by deleting the
> bad coastline and retracing.

Thanks a lot!

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[OSM-talk] Changes in OSM Inspector: WTFE layer gone, new Redaction layer

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   OSM Inspector has a new layer that visualizes the work of the 
redaction bot:


http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=redactionbot&lon=7.84268&lat=48.78466&zoom=5

It looks similar to the old WTFE layer which is now discontinued, but 
the layers are slightly different:


RED is for stuff deleted by the bot. You will be able to click on 
individual items and see the tags of the deleted object with a big 
WARNING saying that you must not copy that to OSM. Please heed the warning.


ORANGE is for stuff where the bot is the last editor of something; these 
things might require checking. There is no access to pre-redaction 
versions of such objects via OSMI.


YELLOW is for stuff that has been edited by the bot, but someone else 
has edited it again since, so it is likely that the yellow stuff has 
been checked/repaired already.


There is currently no way to clear the red stuff from the OSMI display 
but I'm hoping to build something later.


The new data should be available as tiles as well, if you just replace 
"wtfe" with "redactionbot" in the URL.


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[OSM-talk] FYI - Automated edit: footway -> sidewalk

[Mike N]

FYI, please provide any feedback to the original author on the forum.

http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=17526


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Re: [OSM-talk] Changes in OSM Inspector: WTFE layer gone, new Redaction layer

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Hi Frederik,

thank you very much ... that helps a lot.
Is it possible to offer this map type (with all overlays)
in "Map Compare" as well?


M.
--- sorry for TOFU ;-)

2012/7/23 Frederik Ramm 

> Hi,
>
>OSM Inspector has a new layer that visualizes the work of the redaction
> bot:
>
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/**osmi/?view=redactionbot&lon=7.**
> 84268&lat=48.78466&zoom=5
>
> It looks similar to the old WTFE layer which is now discontinued, but the
> layers are slightly different:
>
> RED is for stuff deleted by the bot. You will be able to click on
> individual items and see the tags of the deleted object with a big WARNING
> saying that you must not copy that to OSM. Please heed the warning.
>
> ORANGE is for stuff where the bot is the last editor of something; these
> things might require checking. There is no access to pre-redaction versions
> of such objects via OSMI.
>
> YELLOW is for stuff that has been edited by the bot, but someone else has
> edited it again since, so it is likely that the yellow stuff has been
> checked/repaired already.
>
> There is currently no way to clear the red stuff from the OSMI display but
> I'm hoping to build something later.
>
> The new data should be available as tiles as well, if you just replace
> "wtfe" with "redactionbot" in the URL.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Changes in OSM Inspector: WTFE layer gone, new Redaction layer

[Manfred A. Reiter]

2012/7/23 Manfred A. Reiter 

> Hi Frederik,
>
> thank you very much ... that helps a lot.
> Is it possible to offer this map type (with all overlays)
> in "Map Compare" as well?
>
>
> M.
> --- sorry for TOFU ;-)
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward

[Nick Whitelegg]

I've often thought of the idea of a "Footpath editor" which could be used in 
the field to automatically add footpaths/bridleways to OSM.

It should be possible to do, though it would rely on connecting to the live API 
in the field to both read and write data, to avoid duplication.
As it would be used in the countryside, it would be hoped that the amount of 
surrounding OSM data would be small so it wouldn't overload the servers or 
require silly amounts of data to be downloaded.

It would have to work something like this:

Work out the bounding box with the surveyor at the centre, say a bounding box 
of 100 metres
Get the ways and draw them
Ask user whether they want to survey
If so, start recording GPS track
User stops when required and enters the path type (high level or detailed tags)
Algorithm to automatically simplify GPS track
User selects connection points to existing network (these become first and last 
nodes of the new way)
Way is uploaded

What would be nice, and make these sorts of clients easier to develop, would be 
API calls to "throw" a load of lat/lons at the server and have the server 
automatically plug it into the existing network by working out what existing 
nodes the new way will use, though obviously this would require extra server 
power.

Nick


-"Graham Stewart (GrahamS)"  wrote: -
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
From: "Graham Stewart (GrahamS)" 
Date: 23/07/2012 09:40AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward

Rob Nickerson wrote
> 
> What's your wish-list?

I'd love to see a fully-featured editor that can be used in the field,
running on GPS-enabled smartphones and tablets.

How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood
right next to it? 
I imagine entering the way's name and type, then simply walking along it to
add it, perhaps adding other nodes and features as you go.

Hopefully Richard Fairhurst's iD project, creating a new editor in
Javascript, is the beginning of such a tool: http://www.geowiki.com/





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Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward

[Rob Nickerson]

*Sören Gasch said:*
>>* * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets*>>* you 
>>amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..).*>There will be the 
>>"Amenity Editor" which kind of does what you propose.
>
>See
>- http://ae.osmsurround.org/
>- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor

*and Roland Olbricht said:*
>>* * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could*>>* 
>>bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible 
>>in*>>* map renders but is very useful to many end users)*>
>There is already a prototype that does show all 
>data>http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html 
>
>


Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the
barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening
hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently
placed on the map front page / How can I help?

Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward

[Matt Williams]

On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> Sören Gasch said:
>>> * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets
>>> you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..).
>>There will be the "Amenity Editor" which kind of does what you propose.
>>
>>See
>>- http://ae.osmsurround.org/
>>- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor
>
>
> and Roland Olbricht said:
>>> * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could
>>> bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible
>>> in
>>> map renders but is very useful to many end users)
>>
>>There is already a prototype that does show all data
>>http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html
>>
>
>
> Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the
> barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours).
> What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the
> map front page / How can I help?

Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/,
http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI
editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will
happen fast.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Changes in OSM Inspector: WTFE layer gone, new Redaction layer

[Sören Gasch]

>OSM Inspector has a new layer that visualizes the work of the
> redaction bot:
>
>
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=redactionbot&lon=7.84268&lat=48.78466&zoom=5

Does not yet work at mine.

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[OSM-talk] Greetings

[Chanel Malenki]

Hello everyone. This is to advice you all that my absence from talk
does not mean I am not available for talk. Pardon my absence from talk
and let us resume conversation. Thank you.

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Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US

[Pieren]

I've not checked the tool in details but if I understand correctly,
the reference distance numbers are coming from Google API. Imo,
massively extracting distance like this is a copyright infringement,
even if it's just to "compare", in the same way using GMaps to check
the street names correctness in OSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OT - Unusual Bing imagery

[Hendrik Oesterlin]

"Mike N" wrote on 19/07/2012 at 12:43:19 +1100
subject "[OSM-talk] OT - Unusual Bing imagery" :


> I spotted this today as I was entering survey information:

> http://greenvilleopenmap.info/Airplane.jpg

>I didn't realize that the Bing planes flew so high.

If you give the location of this image, it would be possible to look
for its shadow and calculate an approximate altitude.

The Bing imagerie could be satellite imagerie, not necessarily air
plane imagerie.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OT - Unusual Bing imagery

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 24 July 2012 00:52, Hendrik Oesterlin  wrote:
>> http://greenvilleopenmap.info/Airplane.jpg
>
> If you give the location of this image, it would be possible to look
> for its shadow and calculate an approximate altitude.
>
> The Bing imagerie could be satellite imagerie, not necessarily air
> plane imagerie.

The area in the screenshot seems to have a higher resolution than
satellites can achieve.  Also I've stumbled on big airliners in Yahoo
or Bing satellite imagery before and they look much different (longer
exposition time and the RGB components somehow have an offset because
of the altitude difference, like here:
http://www.streetviewfun.com/2010/airplane-on-satellite-image-2/)

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[OSM-talk] Polygon or WPS

[Frans Thamura]

hi all

anyone working with POI pattern, i am working on it,

still dunno how to draw polygon between POI,

in my case, 1 POI = 1 identified species, so if we have 100 POI, mean we
have distribution of species in one area

i want to draw a polygron on top of it, and create simulation,

yes, look like moving prediction

the model may be can be used also for simulate disease.

i got Zoo Project, but still wanna to know deeply how to integrate with
mapnik.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OT - Unusual Bing imagery

[Alan Mintz]

At 2012-07-23 16:02, andrzej zaborowski wrote:

On 24 July 2012 00:52, Hendrik Oesterlin  wrote:
>> http://greenvilleopenmap.info/Airplane.jpg


Nice catch, Mike N. Finding a plane "in flagrante" used to be quite an 
achievement in the KHBBS days :)




> The Bing imagerie could be satellite imagerie, not necessarily air
> plane imagerie.

The area in the screenshot seems to have a higher resolution than
satellites can achieve.


Is this documented somewhere? Assuming from the look and ratio of 
measurements of the jet that it is a B737, the pic is at z20 (~12cm/pel @ 
middle lats). I was under the impression that all of the Bing/Yahoo/Google 
imagery was still satellite-based, down to z21 (6cm/pel). I know Google has 
spots of "UHR" imagery at z22, but it seems they were still referred to as 
satellite. I've seen individual county websites with very nice imagery 
described as "flyover", as though coming from airplane/helicopter, 
apparently on a contract basis.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OT - Unusual Bing imagery

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 24 July 2012 03:48, Alan Mintz  wrote:
> At 2012-07-23 16:02, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
>> The area in the screenshot seems to have a higher resolution than
>> satellites can achieve.
>
>
> Is this documented somewhere? Assuming from the look and ratio of
> measurements of the jet that it is a B737, the pic is at z20 (~12cm/pel @
> middle lats). I was under the impression that all of the Bing/Yahoo/Google
> imagery was still satellite-based, down to z21 (6cm/pel). I know Google has
> spots of "UHR" imagery at z22, but it seems they were still referred to as
> satellite. I've seen individual county websites with very nice imagery
> described as "flyover", as though coming from airplane/helicopter,
> apparently on a contract basis.

I've assumed 0.5m/px is the technical limit for satellite imaging,
Wikipedia seems to confirm this more or less:
"The latest commercial satellite (GeoEye 1) has a GSD of 0.41 m
(effectively 0.5 m due to United States Government restrictions on
civilian imaging)."[1] I guess military satellites might have better
parameters, but anything you're likely to see on the web with a higher
resolution will be taken from within the troposphere.

I've been told once that 0.5m is the usual limit around the world
except Israel of which you're unlikely to see imagery better than 2m
due to the government's threats.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OT - Unusual Bing imagery

[Paul Norman]

> From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com]
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OT - Unusual Bing imagery
> 
> On 24 July 2012 03:48, Alan Mintz  wrote:
> > At 2012-07-23 16:02, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> >> The area in the screenshot seems to have a higher resolution than
> >> satellites can achieve.
> >
> >
> > Is this documented somewhere? Assuming from the look and ratio of
> > measurements of the jet that it is a B737, the pic is at z20
> > (~12cm/pel @ middle lats). I was under the impression that all of the
> > Bing/Yahoo/Google imagery was still satellite-based, down to z21
> > (6cm/pel). I know Google has spots of "UHR" imagery at z22, but it
> > seems they were still referred to as satellite. I've seen individual
> > county websites with very nice imagery described as "flyover", as
> > though coming from airplane/helicopter, apparently on a contract
> basis.
> 
> I've assumed 0.5m/px is the technical limit for satellite imaging,
> Wikipedia seems to confirm this more or less:
> "The latest commercial satellite (GeoEye 1) has a GSD of 0.41 m
> (effectively 0.5 m due to United States Government restrictions on
> civilian imaging)."[1] I guess military satellites might have better
> parameters, but anything you're likely to see on the web with a higher
> resolution will be taken from within the troposphere.
> 
> I've been told once that 0.5m is the usual limit around the world except
> Israel of which you're unlikely to see imagery better than 2m due to the
> government's threats.

This matches up with what I've heard in discussions with one of the cities
about their imagery.

Another factor is not the resolution but the image quality. Satellite photos
have to go through more air which can cause the loss of some information and
lower-contrast imagery. On the other hand, a lot of aerial imagery out there
is film-based which does not generally have colour and contrast as good as
digital aerial imagery.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward

[Mikel Maron]

Great spirit! Now that we're past this milestone, it opens up our headspace and 
energy for building what's next


Wish there was a place to consistently capture these ideas, and put movement 
behind them. There's a bunch of stuff on the wiki

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Usability

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Things_To_Do

Several lists, groups, processes.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Design_Mailing_List
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Engineering_Working_Group

My interest is still in building out social features
http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773


 

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron


>
> From: Matt Williams 
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
> 
>On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>> Sören Gasch said:
 * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets
 you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..).
>>>There will be the "Amenity Editor" which kind of does what you propose.
>>>
>>>See
>>>- http://ae.osmsurround.org/
>>>- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor
>>
>>
>> and Roland Olbricht said:
 * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could
 bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible
 in
 map renders but is very useful to many end users)
>>>
>>>There is already a prototype that does show all data
>>>http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the
>> barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours).
>> What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the
>> map front page / How can I help?
>
>Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/,
>http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI
>editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will
>happen fast.
>
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>http://milliams.com
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Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward

[vegard]

What about editor facebook support for editors? :)

No, I'm actually serious -

"Vegard Engen mapped , near ." ?

Of course with a few links in the post that appears on facebook.

- Vegard

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 08:25:45PM -0700, Mikel Maron wrote:
> Great spirit! Now that we're past this milestone, it opens up our headspace 
> and energy for building what's next
> 
> 
> Wish there was a place to consistently capture these ideas, and put movement 
> behind them. There's a bunch of stuff on the wiki
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Usability
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Things_To_Do
> 
> Several lists, groups, processes.
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Design_Mailing_List
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Engineering_Working_Group
> 
> My interest is still in building out social features
> http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773
> 
> 
>  
> 
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Matt Williams 
> >To: talk@openstreetmap.org 
> >Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:14 AM
> >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
> > 
> >On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> >> Sören Gasch said:
>  * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets
>  you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..).
> >>>There will be the "Amenity Editor" which kind of does what you propose.
> >>>
> >>>See
> >>>- http://ae.osmsurround.org/
> >>>- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor
> >>
> >>
> >> and Roland Olbricht said:
>  * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could
>  bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible
>  in
>  map renders but is very useful to many end users)
> >>>
> >>>There is already a prototype that does show all data
> >>>http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the
> >> barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours).
> >> What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the
> >> map front page / How can I help?
> >
> >Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/,
> >http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI
> >editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will
> >happen fast.
> >
> >-- 
> >Matt Williams
> >http://milliams.com
> >
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