Re: [OSM-talk] Tools to help find areas corrupted by redaction

2012-07-28 Thread colliar 
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On 27/07/12 23:14, Toby Murray wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Alan Mintz 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Another thing is that these sawtooth ways tend to cross other ways
>> without intersection, so this is a good indicator, too.
>> 
>> Lastly, I'm noticing orphan nodes in areas that need work.
> 
> Yes, and this can be tricky to pick out when you're just eyeballing an 
> area. I've been using the JOSM validator after doing a CTRL-a to select
> everything I have downloaded. It is kind of noisy but just looking at
> crossing ways and orphan nodes seems to find a lot of problems.

No need for CTRL+a,, as validator checks all objects if nothing is selected.

This only works if you have downloaded all data of a Bbox though, with only
partly downloaded data you will often miss the orphan nodes.

colliar

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Re: [OSM-talk] Problem with redaction layer of osminspector in JOSM

2012-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm 
Pavel,

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:24:20 +0700
Pavel Melnikov  wrote:
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/views/bot/wxs?FORMAT=image/...

Try "redactionbot" instead of "bot".

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Problem with redaction layer of osminspector in JOSM

2012-07-28 Thread Pavel Melnikov 
Yeah, tried that already. Got no response at all, no tiles, no errors,
nothing
On Jul 28, 2012 7:42 PM, "Frederik Ramm"  wrote:
>
> Pavel,
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:24:20 +0700
> Pavel Melnikov  wrote:
> > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/views/bot/wxs?FORMAT=image/...
>
> Try "redactionbot" instead of "bot".
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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Re: [OSM-talk] Problem with redaction layer of osminspector in JOSM

2012-07-28 Thread Pavel Melnikov 
Ok, it seems that redaction layer does not support projection that josm
tries to download (which is specified by SRS=EPSG:4326 parameter)

Does anybody know how to contact osmi develoeprs?


On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Pavel Melnikov wrote:

> Hello everyone!
> Today I tried to add geofabrik osminspector redactionbot layers into JOSM,
> and followed procedures described in
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/WxS . However, it did
> not work. JOSM loads some PNGs, but they do not contain any imagery, but
> text "Server Error, we are sorry for inconvenence 13." and similar stuff.
> Can anyone share a working WMS link for JOSM? Or help some other way?
>
> PS My WMS link is now wms:
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/views/bot/wxs?FORMAT=image/png&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&Layers=bot_line_deleted,bot_line_modified,bot_line_superseded,bot_line_deleted_cp,bot_point_deleted,bot_line_modified_cp,bot_point_modified,bot_point_superseded&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:4326&WIDTH={width}&HEIGHT={height}&BBOX={bbox}and
>  it does not work.
>
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[OSM-talk] Lost tags

2012-07-28 Thread Arun Ganesh 
What was the license status of tags added by an odbl-compliant user on
geometries created by a user who declined?

While its ok for the geometries to be deleted, it does not seem right that
the tags are deleted as well. It is after all the work of someone who has
agreed to relicense his work/contributed knowledge.

It is quite painful to see that countless hours of effort has been deleted
for no fault of my own. Is this just the result of the osm data model where
tags cannot exist without geometries, or were these tags considered as
being dirty and were legally supposed to be erased?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Lost tags

2012-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm 
Hi,

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:39:56 +0530
Arun Ganesh  wrote:
> It is quite painful to see that countless hours of effort has been
> deleted for no fault of my own. Is this just the result of the osm
> data model where tags cannot exist without geometries, or were these
> tags considered as being dirty and were legally supposed to be erased?

I think the former is correct.

If you go through the history planet file and create a list that goes:

"somewhere in the world there is a way that has the properties
name=Bingbong Street, maxspeed=30" (provided that both these properties
were added by agreers) then it would be ok to publish that list and
even use it to add to OSM. I don't see how it can be much help though,
especially if it contains info like "somewhere in the world there is an
object with wheelchair=yes and opening_times=so-and-so" ;)

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Problem with redaction layer of osminspector in JOSM

2012-07-28 Thread Tirkon 
Pavel Melnikov  wrote:

>Does anybody know how to contact osmi develoeprs?
You already made his acquaintance in this thread. ;-)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Lost tags

2012-07-28 Thread Arun Ganesh 
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:39:56 +0530
> Arun Ganesh  wrote:
> > It is quite painful to see that countless hours of effort has been
> > deleted for no fault of my own. Is this just the result of the osm
> > data model where tags cannot exist without geometries, or were these
> > tags considered as being dirty and were legally supposed to be erased?
>
> I think the former is correct.
>

This is good news for a start. We essentially have a UI problem, and if
solved, will help getting back the most useful bits of the lost data back
into osm.


>
> If you go through the history planet file and create a list that goes:
>
> "somewhere in the world there is a way that has the properties
> name=Bingbong Street, maxspeed=30" (provided that both these properties
> were added by agreers) then it would be ok to publish that list and
> even use it to add to OSM. I don't see how it can be much help though,
> especially if it contains info like "somewhere in the world there is an
> object with wheelchair=yes and opening_times=so-and-so" ;)
>

The most easily identifiable data that I see are those that have name tags.
What if you have a list view alongside a map, which is populated based on
your current view and zoom level?

For ways, this can have additional information like the length of the way
and orientation to assist mappers who lost their tags to identify where the
original way was.

For POIs, you could have the name of the street beside which it was located
and also distance and orientation from the nearest place=* node

There are probably better ideas, but its an absolute shame that clean and
extremely valuable data is lost because the data model does not support its
existence.


>
> Bye
> Frederik
>



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