Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Nick Hocking
mike wrote

"oh thanks nick"


No problems mike, glad to help.

BTW it's "Nick" not nick


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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
oh thanks nick, did you see what it looked like 09 when we started with
osm? did you see the dedicated contributors we recruited?

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Nick Hocking wrote:

> mike wrote
>
> "we are going to have an event there and i just noticed it."
>
>
> mike,
>
> If you need maps of Gjilan you could try Google Maps, it seems quite good.
>
>
>
> https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.464722,21.466944&spn=0.1,0.1&t=m&q=42.464722,21.466944
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>
> Hope this helps
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Nick Hocking
mike wrote

"we are going to have an event there and i just noticed it."


mike,

If you need maps of Gjilan you could try Google Maps, it seems quite good.


https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.464722,21.466944&spn=0.1,0.1&t=m&q=42.464722,21.466944


Hope this helps

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Alex Barth
Fantastic, wasn't aware of the migration plans in Wikitravel!

Any specific plans on further integration with OSM?

On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Ian Sergeant  wrote:

> The Wikitravel community is (hopefully) in the process of migrating to
> the WMF servers, which will hopefully give us more technical
> capability in this area.  It is frustrating to enter the coords, with
> no site capability to display them.
> 
> Closer integration with OSM is certainly sought into the future, and
> already is the basis for most maps on the site.  The POIs are entered
> into OSM first.
> 
> See http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ for more details,
> and while you are there, perhaps leave your comments on the RFC at
> meta.
> 
> Ian.
> 
> 
> 
> On 23 August 2012 10:20, Alex Barth  wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Matej Cepl  wrote:
>>> Is there some project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on 
>>> OSM, or at least plans to do something like that?
>> 
>> wikitravel.org comes to mind, they're far from tracking POIs as such, but 
>> they talk about them all the time:
>> 
>> http://wikitravel.org/en/Washington_dc#Eat
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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Russ Nelson  wrote:

> > will not. I dont plan on contributing much more as a mapper to OSM,
>  > but as a programmer.
>
> To be fair, Mike, you didn't make a threat; you made a promise that
> you wouldn't contribute to mapping.
>

"you wouldn't contribute to mapping." -> "you wouldn't contribute much to
mapping."

yes, and I am not contributing much as a mapper, in fact very little, but
as a programmer and also my role in flossk for building up a community.


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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Russ Nelson
Mike  Dupont writes:
 > I am not threatening here at all.

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:12:02 -0500
Mike  Dupont writes:
 > I am going to post this one last time.
 > You have permission to re license all my work outside of kosovo and albania.
 > Please stop sending me so many messages, I am getting 10 a day. I have
 > created a new user that accepted the license terms, but my old user I
 > will not. I dont plan on contributing much more as a mapper to OSM,
 > but as a programmer.

To be fair, Mike, you didn't make a threat; you made a promise that
you wouldn't contribute to mapping.

 > is their problem now. I at least had the backbone not to accept a license
 > that I knew I could not, I tried to work with you to my ability and to
 > provide alternatives to prevent massive damage.

Fair enough, but you know the consequences.

 > We are going to look for a solution to relicense the iMapp data, and since
 > you did not bother to contact them or look into it, I will have to.  I had
 > provided the sources for the data and contact to do it, but it was not
 > done, choosing to just delete the data instead.

You did the import; you should stand by it, or accept that it will be
deleted.

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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
Hello,

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Robert Scott 
 wrote:

> you've been threatening to do


I am not threatening here at all. I am trying to do to my job and to help
people in Kosovo with the limited time and resource I have. I got into osm
to help these people and they have been helped. We even started to port
creative commons to Albanian language and Kosovar law, only for the osmf to
ditch that. Most of the editors there have accepted the new license, even
if they don't understand it, even if it is not in their language and even
if they have no right to relicense everything, but who cares about that? it
is their problem now. I at least had the backbone not to accept a license
that I knew I could not, I tried to work with you to my ability and to
provide alternatives to prevent massive damage.

The hurdles here are being put up by the osm foundation in changing the
rules of the game, the license midstream. It is not only that the license
has changed, but the very fact that it will also change agan and again at
whim. How can we spend all this time to port a license over for you to
throw it away, and the new regime, which I am only now starting to
understand also has no porting process like cc does, but I brought that up.
It is just more and more problems being piled up and really I don't want to
have to deal with them, but I guess the osmf are just going to force this
new regime onto everyone, or force them out.

Instead of helping me do my job, you are attacking me personally and
otherwise. Instead of helping me fix the problems and addressing my issues,
you are ignoring them.

We are going to find some solutions for these issues, with or without your
help. Instead of jumping in to help fix kosovo, which is not a priority for
you, you just delete the data and destroy cities, instead of hiring lawyers
like creative commons does and engaging legal teams across the world, you
push the legal problems onto the little people and give yourselves the
right to create more problems at whim.

We are going to look for a solution to relicense the iMapp data, and since
you did not bother to contact them or look into it, I will have to.  I had
provided the sources for the data and contact to do it, but it was not
done, choosing to just delete the data instead.

as I said, a horrible job.

thanks,

mike

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Ian Sergeant
The Wikitravel community is (hopefully) in the process of migrating to
the WMF servers, which will hopefully give us more technical
capability in this area.  It is frustrating to enter the coords, with
no site capability to display them.

Closer integration with OSM is certainly sought into the future, and
already is the basis for most maps on the site.  The POIs are entered
into OSM first.

See http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ for more details,
and while you are there, perhaps leave your comments on the RFC at
meta.

Ian.



On 23 August 2012 10:20, Alex Barth  wrote:
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Matej Cepl  wrote:
>> Is there some project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on 
>> OSM, or at least plans to do something like that?
>
> wikitravel.org comes to mind, they're far from tracking POIs as such, but 
> they talk about them all the time:
>
> http://wikitravel.org/en/Washington_dc#Eat
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Alex Barth

On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Matej Cepl  wrote:
> Is there some project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on 
> OSM, or at least plans to do something like that?

wikitravel.org comes to mind, they're far from tracking POIs as such, but they 
talk about them all the time:

http://wikitravel.org/en/Washington_dc#Eat

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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Robert Scott
On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Mike Dupont wrote:
> Richard,
> your insults, personal attacks and negative comments that I have had to
> endure in the past are now continuing now. I wonder why people tolerate it.

I think Richard has been very restrained in the face of the nonsense certain 
people like you have been digging up for, well, a very long time now.

For instance this

> > Mike - all your edits appear to be preserved at fosm.org so I suggest you
> > use that. And the FOSM lists.

was a beautifully pithy way of suggesting you go and actually do what you've 
been threatening to do for over a year now, while still being put in the 
politest way possible.

> Up to now, I have not asked anyone in kosovo to join fosm, I have tried to
> keep my personal reservations about the license change to myself and still
> wear the hat of being an osm promoter in kosovo. Now I get someone who is a
> total jerk from the fosm board asking me to leave or what?
> 
> why does the community tolerate such bad leadership?

Because it's not leadership, and the community doesn't really care about 
leadership. The community cares about Getting Shit Done (rather than just 
announced). Of which Richard is a shining example.


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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Mike Dupont <
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> fosm board


the osmf board of course. dyslexics untie!


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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
Richard,
your insults, personal attacks and negative comments that I have had to
endure in the past are now continuing now. I wonder why people tolerate it.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> Consequently unless the bot magically gained psychic powers and could guess
> the licence of each changeset, his non-acceptance stood. The bot is clever
> but it's not _that_ clever.
>
> Mike - all your edits appear to be preserved at fosm.org so I suggest you
> use that. And the FOSM lists.
>

Up to now, I have not asked anyone in kosovo to join fosm, I have tried to
keep my personal reservations about the license change to myself and still
wear the hat of being an osm promoter in kosovo. Now I get someone who is a
total jerk from the fosm board asking me to leave or what?

why does the community tolerate such bad leadership?

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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
I think i gave all the needed info, if you have any questions, just ask.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> wasn't willing to volunteer information as to which imports these were




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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Gioele Barabucci

On 22/08/2012 23:15, Matej Cepl wrote:

Is there some
project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on OSM, or at
least plans to do something like that?


Maybe POIstory.it [1] (not exactly as free as OSM, but they use OSM and 
release their data as CC-BY-SA). You can create an account and then 
start an article/review based on a POI. You can later add pictures and 
other info.


[1] http://www.poistory.it

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Not OSM, but slightly (and possibly-maybe increasingly) using OSM (website
only, and as background layer only, currently):
Foursquare.

I actually started using 4sq again after they not only started using OSM
(with above limitations) and blogged about their wish to do more with OSM
-- but after I read more about MapBox's involvement with supporting 4sq to
use OSM (and learn it more thoroughly, I guess).

I've copied Alex here (even though I think he follows talk@osm) who's at
least one of the main OSM-4sq guys at MapBox.

What I'd love to see is 4sq contributing their POI data to OSM in a way or
another. .. I'm most probably not the only one thinking about this and
there are certainly a number of hurdles in making that happen. Some
linking/-age system between OSM data and 4sq POI data would also be nice.

Cheers,
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>
> I am currently on the holidays in Italy (whole review of using OSM will
> come when I come back), but one thing I really wonder about is whether
> there is some Yelp/Google Reviews community based equivalent. The first
> thing we came to the camp in the Italy, we have picked up Google Maps (in
> the Android phone) and asked for the nearest restaurants. We've found one,
> but I felt really sorry I cannot share my review of the restaurant with a
> community (I don't have Google+ account and I don't want to have one, which
> is a prerequisite for making reviews, moreover I don't want to provide my
> work for the advertising agency). Is there some project like Yelp/Google
> Reviews community-based and based on OSM, or at least plans to do something
> like that?
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
There was some talk about using a Separate Data Server to do something like
this:

https://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server/raw/master/doc/sds.pdf

We just need someones initiative :)

I was thinking about a mashup of osm data and sites with restaurant
critics like TripAdvisor. They don't have very good location data, and
the mashup would be really useful.

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[OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Matej Cepl

Hi,

I am currently on the holidays in Italy (whole review of using OSM will 
come when I come back), but one thing I really wonder about is whether 
there is some Yelp/Google Reviews community based equivalent. The first 
thing we came to the camp in the Italy, we have picked up Google Maps 
(in the Android phone) and asked for the nearest restaurants. We've 
found one, but I felt really sorry I cannot share my review of the 
restaurant with a community (I don't have Google+ account and I don't 
want to have one, which is a prerequisite for making reviews, moreover I 
don't want to provide my work for the advertising agency). Is there some 
project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on OSM, or at 
least plans to do something like that?


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Re: [OSM-talk] ITO Mapper sessions to OSMHV changesets

2012-08-22 Thread SomeoneElse

Gioele Barabucci wrote:


At first I thought about reading the user and time and ask the API to 
give me back all the changesets around that time frame, but that is 
highly unreliable. Any other idea?




Not directly related to ITO Mapper, but there's a discussion taking 
place on osm-dev that you might be interested in:

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2012-August/025461.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] ITO Mapper sessions to OSMHV changesets

2012-08-22 Thread Gioele Barabucci

On 22/08/2012 10:43, Shaun McDonald wrote:

Hi,

The ITO Mapper sessions don't tie up with the OSM Changesets, nor
know about them. This is due to it having built prior to the the
changesets in OSM being introduced, not upgraded since to take them
into account. This can be seen as a useful feature as it groups
together the changesets by the same person in the same area.


To group changesets together is indeed a nice feature, but I assumed it 
would had been possible to split each session into its constituent 
changesets. Given that this is not possible at all, is there any 
information that could be exploited reliably to find the relevant 
changesets?


At first I thought about reading the user and time and ask the API to 
give me back all the changesets around that time frame, but that is 
highly unreliable. Any other idea?


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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread christian.pietz...@googlemail.com
Its not the fault of someone...nobody just deleted Ways in your area.
As you might have noticed OSM had a license change. In your area (almost
most of the kosovo) ppl didn't accept the new license, that's why so many
ways and POIs have been deleted.
Means a lot of new work for you ;)
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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> I'm not the person who can fix this, but can you be more precise 
> why do you think this is error from rectration bot? Do you claim 
> that license of data were ok?

Some of Mike's imports may have had compatible licences.

However, as he says at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Michael%20DuPont/diary/15777 , he

a) wasn't willing to volunteer information as to which imports these were
(point 2)
b) didn't use separate, documented accounts for each import source, as per
the Import Guidelines (second comment, "more than half my edits are
imports")

Consequently unless the bot magically gained psychic powers and could guess
the licence of each changeset, his non-acceptance stood. The bot is clever
but it's not _that_ clever.

Mike - all your edits appear to be preserved at fosm.org so I suggest you
use that. And the FOSM lists.

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread pec...@gmail.com
Hi Mike!

I'm not the person who can fix this, but can you be more precise why
do you think this is error from rectration bot? Do you claim that
license of data were ok? Please specify.

Respectfully,
Peteris.

2012/8/22 Mike  Dupont :
> i am not going to deal with this ignorance,
> thanks
> mike
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Guillaume Rischard
>  wrote:
>> On 22 Aug 2012, at 09:43, Mike Dupont  wrote:
>>
>>> we are going to have an event there
>>
>> On the bright side, you have just the right people for a mapping party.
>>
>> Guillaume
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
i am not going to deal with this ignorance,
thanks
mike

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Guillaume Rischard
 wrote:
> On 22 Aug 2012, at 09:43, Mike Dupont  wrote:
>
>> we are going to have an event there
>
> On the bright side, you have just the right people for a mapping party.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Guillaume Rischard
On 22 Aug 2012, at 09:43, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> we are going to have an event there

On the bright side, you have just the right people for a mapping party.

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Re: [OSM-talk] ITO Mapper sessions to OSMHV changesets

2012-08-22 Thread Shaun McDonald
Hi,

The ITO Mapper sessions don't tie up with the OSM Changesets, nor know about 
them. This is due to it having built prior to the the changesets in OSM being 
introduced, not upgraded since to take them into account. This can be seen as a 
useful feature as it groups together the changesets by the same person in the 
same area.

Shaun
ITO World Developer

On 22 Aug 2012, at 07:31, Gioele Barabucci  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> does anybody know how to convert ITO Mappers' sessions IDs into OSM changeset 
> IDs that can be used with OSM History Viewer [1]?
> 
> Best,
> 
> [1] OSMHV does not currently work but that is another issue.
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Re: [OSM-talk] DWG post-redaction bot cleanup

2012-08-22 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:29 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:
> The Data Working Group is beginning to revert some copy&paste remapping and
> similar problems that did not make it onto the bot list for one reason or
> another.

Is it done through the same "redaction bot" user account ?

Pieren

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[OSM-talk] horrible job in gjilan,kosovo

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Dupont
Hi there,
I wanted to say that you guys have destroyed our work in gjilan, why?
cannot you read carefully the license and do the due diligence?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.46398&lon=21.47688&zoom=15&layers=M

we are going to have an event there and i just noticed it.
http://www.flossk.org/en/events/flossk-teambuilding-event-gjilan-hotel-kristal-august-27

omg!
mike

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