[OSM-talk] map styles: Default OSM vs Google Maps
Currently I am working on a GSoC project - improvement of styling of roads and paths in openstreetmap-carto, the default OSM map style. I started from researching how other map styles are designed. I would welcome comments and feedback as it would allow to notice my biases. Feedback on general ideas will hopefully reduce amount of time needed to rework and tweak style that I will produce. The first compared map style is probably the most popular one, used by Google maps. I published results of this analysis at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/34957 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was "Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?")
The wiki's decreasing level of edit energy, combined with it's increasing reach is a problem. Wiki text now appears directly in dozens of automated editing and QA tools. With JOSM style presets, there's a filter between activity on the wiki and what gets wider coverage. With iD style automatic import, the wiki becomes the documentation. That combined with a rouge user driving others away from the wiki really sets up a bad situation. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM 250 is online
2015-05-08 19:26 GMT+02:00 Steve Coast : > Congratulations on 250! > Thank you, will pass it to the whole team ... but the flowers to Marc Gehling please. ;-) [...] -- ## Manfred Reiter - - ## www.weeklyOSM.eu ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was "Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?")
On 09.05.2015 10:08, Christoph Hormann wrote: > The problem is not exclusively Xxzme's attitude but also the combination > with the dominance of his/her/their edits due to the large amount of > energy and time spent. I fully agree with that. Xxzme is not the first wiki user who has tried to push through unpopular edits or who has engaged in edit wars, but they are doing so at an unprecedented scale. For a long time, I have tried to encourage them to improve their behaviour, to give reasons for their changes, to respond to criticism, to take care not to break links and to seek feedback before engaging in huge edits across the wiki, but it simply doesn't work. Following their own vision of "cleaning up" the wiki seems to trump everything else. Considering the countless hours spent on dealing with them, and the loss of valuable wiki contributors, their presence on the wiki is a net negative. Unfortunately, the warning shot (i.e. the 1 month ban) didn't really improve the situation, except giving everyone else a much-needed breather. Tobias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapillary plugin for JOSM
On May 5, 2015 8:45 AM, "Shaun McDonald" wrote: > > It’s currently possible to comment on single images, commenting on the whole sequence would be interesting. > > If one person thinks they have added all the details, someone else is likely to come up with some other obscure tags that would be added due to information in the photos that the original person never thought of. > > Being able to overlay the speed limit signs on the top of the ITO speed limit map for example could be more interesting for example. +1 > > Shaun > >> On 5 May 2015, at 16:27, Mike Thompson wrote: >> >> Looking forward to the JOSM plugin! >> >> Is there, or will there be, some sort of way that one can indicate that a sequence of Mapillary images has been reviewed and relevant content added to OSM? Perhaps a notes field in the Mapillary database where a mapper could state "mapped signs" or "mapped surface type." >> >> Mike >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: >>> >>> This brings us exciting possibilities. Someone could make a layer that detects inconsistencies between mapillary sign data and osm data. For example: >>> >>> -there should be a oneway street near a oneway sign >>> -there should be a turn restriction or a oneway street junction near a sign with a turn restriction >>> -there should be a maxspeed tag where there is a max speed sign >>> ... >>> >>> Janko >>> >>> >>> uto, 5. svi 2015. 00:49 Clifford Snow je napisao: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:16 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > > Looking forward to the josm plugin and the merging/locating of signs :) +1 - I got so excited that I purchased a new cell phone mount from GeekWire to replace my defective old mount. -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was "Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?")
On Saturday 09 May 2015, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Yes, as far as I can see many people have tried to influence Xxzme's > behaviour over the last half year and none have succeeded; as things > are my impression is we have a choice of accepting them like they are > or asking them to leave. Yes it would be desirable to keep their good > edits and drop only the controversial ones, and somehow convince them > to respect other voices, but short of a miracle I don't see that > happening. And if I balance the positive and negative things they do, > at least in my opinion the negatives outweigh the positives. That mostly also summarizes my view of the matter. I have looked at quite a few of Xxzme's edits and interactions with others and had the experience of such interaction myself [1]. There seems to be an intelligent person behind this (or several - that is not really clear to me) with - despite deficits in English language - significant rhetorical skills. But there clearly is no willingness or ability to use these qualifications to the benefit of the OSM community. The problem is not exclusively Xxzme's attitude but also the combination with the dominance of his/her/their edits due to the large amount of energy and time spent. This is also emphasized by the fact that normal community activity on the wiki is relatively low these days compared to the volume of work that exists there - in other words: much of the wiki is undermaintained by the community. This gives someone like Xxzme a lot of room - both to the good and the bad. You could of course argue that this is not Xxzme's fault - however i also think that from someone dominanting the editing activities to this extent you can expect basic social skills and the ability to interact on a basic social level with others - even if we do not require this equally from others who do only make the occasional change. If there are examples of Xxzme productively interacting with the community this would be good to see, otherwise i strongly concur that the current situation is not working out for the vast majority of wiki contributors and a significant and sustained change to that is required to keep the wiki a place where OSM community members feel welcome. Maybe the whole issue could serve as an incentive for the OSM community, esp. mappers, to get more involved in what is ultimately their wiki. And the troubles caused by Xxzme might make those very active on the wiki and sometimes overly protective of the current state appreciate contributions from newbies even if they are sometimes clumsy as long as they come with the willingness to listen to and interact with others. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Environment -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
