[OSM-talk] WeeklyOSM 301

[Jinal Foflia]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue #301, is now available online in
English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the
OpenStreetMap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/7383



*Among others:*

   - Read more updates about the progress in Ecuador Humanitarian mapping
   - Love taking pictures and travelling? Look in about the photo contest
   initiated by Wikipedia "Wiki Loves Earth", which starts on 1st of May
   - The David Rumsey Map Colletion now offers to 67,000 historic high
   resolution maps for download.
   - You can apply for a scholarship to join the SotM 2016 in Brussels, the
   deadline is Sunday May 21, 2016.
   - Tagesspiegel.de offers an interesting website for visualizing
   differences in aerial photography of Berlin from recent days and those of
   1928.


Cheers,

Jinal Foflia 
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[Simone Cortesi]

On Apr 29, 2016 3:59 PM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Il giorno 29 apr 2016, alle ore 14:46, Richard Fairhurst <
rich...@systemed.net> ha scritto:
> >
> > I've just created a quick, friendly wiki page to explain that and other
> > differences:
> >
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users
>
>
> great page \o/
>
> As a minor remark: "OpenStreetMap is 100% independent. It is not a
Wikimedia Foundation project."
>
> We are not any more 100% independent, for example the Italian chapter (?)
of osmf is Wikimedia Italy, i.e. in Italy OSM is a wikimedia foundation
project. But of course this doesn't mean that Wikipedia editing rules are
applied to mapping.

Martin, please NO FUD, you know that Wikimedia Italia is not just wmf
Italian counterpart but we do other stuff related to open knowledge and
open access and libraries.

Our main source of income does not come from Wikimedia Foundation.
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[john whelan]

I agree a very nice introduction and it shows the differences.

Thanks John

On 29 April 2016 at 10:25, Clifford Snow  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst 
> wrote:
>
>> I've just created a quick, friendly wiki page to explain that and other
>> differences:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users
>>
>
> Richard,
> Nice job on the Welcome page. Thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[Clifford Snow]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst 
wrote:

> I've just created a quick, friendly wiki page to explain that and other
> differences:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users
>

Richard,
Nice job on the Welcome page. Thanks


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 29 apr 2016, alle ore 14:46, Richard Fairhurst 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> I've just created a quick, friendly wiki page to explain that and other
> differences:
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users


great page \o/

As a minor remark: "OpenStreetMap is 100% independent. It is not a Wikimedia 
Foundation project."

We are not any more 100% independent, for example the Italian chapter (?) of 
osmf is Wikimedia Italy, i.e. in Italy OSM is a wikimedia foundation project. 
But of course this doesn't mean that Wikipedia editing rules are applied to 
mapping.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[Simone Cortesi]

Clifford,
I have really no idea, I've been recently referred to that page, but
I've not been involved with it at all.


On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> Simone,
> I'm not a Wikimedia user but maybe you could clarify a question for me.
> Under the con's is the statement "in many cases OpenStreetMap's territorial
> borders are bad or outdated" Where does this opinion come from? Please
> understand that I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but it seems to be a broad
> generalization.
>
> One of the Pro arguments might be "If the map data is wrong, you can fix
> it."
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:19 AM, Simone Cortesi  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> currently being discussed on mediawiki is the future of maps soon to
>> be added to wikipedia.
>>
>> page:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps/Conversation_about_interactive_map_use
>>
>> talk page:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Maps/Conversation_about_interactive_map_use
>>
>> I would ask you to have a look at it and respond by adding your
>> opinion to the pages.
>>
>> It is a great chance to have your say on the maps that will be seen on
>> one of the most visited websites in the world.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> S.
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[Guillaume Rischard]

On 29 Apr 2016, at 14:46, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> 
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> We'd have to explain to Wikipedia users that what they see on our 
>> maps might not be what they expect, and that we do *not* want 
>> them to fix it...
> 
> I've just created a quick, friendly wiki page to explain that and other
> differences:
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users 
> 
The mediawiki discussion mentions disputed borders. We often include borders 
that can’t really be surveyed or checked as facts on the ground. What should we 
say about them on that page?

I’ve asked for clarification about the “bad or outdated” borders: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:T30iq8fsfdecvl3m&topic_showPostId=t30iq8fsfhcf3p1u#flow-post-t30iq8fsfhcf3p1u
 


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[Richard Fairhurst]

Frederik Ramm wrote:
> We'd have to explain to Wikipedia users that what they see on our 
> maps might not be what they expect, and that we do *not* want 
> them to fix it...

I've just created a quick, friendly wiki page to explain that and other
differences:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users

Richard



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Re: [OSM-talk] osm maps on wikipedia - discussion

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 29 apr 2016, alle ore 00:53, Frederik Ramm  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> but whether or not the UN have approved
> something is not what governs our mapping.


+1, as we see in politics, true global players give a ship what the UN says ;-)

cheers,
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