Re: [OSM-talk] Overhaul of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap
Two weeks ago or so I thought of creating "Introduction for GIS users" page or something like that (explaining how OSM is different from, for a lack of better word, shapefile-based GIS). We see many questions asked over and over, but the documentation isn't really at the point of "if you can't understand it, you are an idiot". There is now too little interest in the Wiki among most power users (maybe owing to the fact that many see Wiki as "art for art's sake" due to formal-yet-not-mandating-anything voting and ever-recurring someone-has-changed-some-definition drama etc.). As a result, the accuracy, currency and accessibility of articles suffers. There definitely should be an effort to improve the Wiki. It may be interesting and educating to do an "act as a newbie" experiment and see how real problems people had could be RTFM-ed. The bottom line is that all we know is not some arcane magical knowledge, we get it from the said Wiki and other manuals. It's just that it's not easy to follow if you don't know how to do something. Meanwhile, the grumpy part of me is sad that I can't yell RTFM to newbies (; On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > IMHO one of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap or > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap should be nuked. > And the remaining page revised so that it actually makes some sense > (which is likely easier with the page you want to work on). > > No setting his hopes high. > > Simon > > Am 22.11.2016 um 22:07 schrieb Roland Olbricht: >> Hello everybody, >> >> I would like to overhaul one of the second level landing pages in the >> wiki >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap >> >> The main reason is that I've found a forum thread with a completely >> misinformed user >> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56469 >> When trying to send a proper link to our documentation, I have >> realized that indeed the wiki leaves a newbie seeking data no way to >> find how to access it. >> >> For this reason I would like to add back the links to >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Download >> that used to be on the front page. >> >> To avoid disturbing a second level landing page, I have made a mock-up >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Roland.olbricht/Use_OSM >> >> Please feel free to discuss it on the wiki >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Use_OpenStreetMap >> >> I suggest to move the mock-up to the real page in a week if no major >> objections come up. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Roland >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is Overpass falling far behind the database?
Am 22.11.2016 um 22:51 schrieb Ben Discoe: > Usually, using "overpass turbo" returns results which are very recent, > usually less than an hour. Right, it should actually be somewhere in the range of a few minutes. > > However, for the past 2 days, results seem to be very out of date. > > As an example, this query: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kfp > > returns hundreds of nodes which were moved or deleted days ago. > > Is it a known issue of replication delay? > Can you check your server settings in overpass turbo? Log files indicate you're using the dev instance right now. I don't have updates running on that particular endpoint. I would recommend to simply switch to the main instance for up-to-date data. hth. -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is Overpass falling far behind the database?
Which Overpass API server do you have configured in overpass turbo? Because using the main instance (//overpass-api.de/api/), I don't seem to get any outdated data… On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Ben Discoe wrote: > Usually, using "overpass turbo" returns results which are very recent, > usually less than an hour. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status gives an Overpass > status of "OK". > > However, for the past 2 days, results seem to be very out of date. > > As an example, this query: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kfp > > returns hundreds of nodes which were moved or deleted days ago. > > Is it a known issue of replication delay? > > Thanks, > Ben > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Is Overpass falling far behind the database?
Usually, using "overpass turbo" returns results which are very recent, usually less than an hour. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status gives an Overpass status of "OK". However, for the past 2 days, results seem to be very out of date. As an example, this query: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kfp returns hundreds of nodes which were moved or deleted days ago. Is it a known issue of replication delay? Thanks, Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overhaul of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap
IMHO one of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap or https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap should be nuked. And the remaining page revised so that it actually makes some sense (which is likely easier with the page you want to work on). No setting his hopes high. Simon Am 22.11.2016 um 22:07 schrieb Roland Olbricht: > Hello everybody, > > I would like to overhaul one of the second level landing pages in the > wiki > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap > > The main reason is that I've found a forum thread with a completely > misinformed user > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56469 > When trying to send a proper link to our documentation, I have > realized that indeed the wiki leaves a newbie seeking data no way to > find how to access it. > > For this reason I would like to add back the links to > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Download > that used to be on the front page. > > To avoid disturbing a second level landing page, I have made a mock-up > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Roland.olbricht/Use_OSM > > Please feel free to discuss it on the wiki > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Use_OpenStreetMap > > I suggest to move the mock-up to the real page in a week if no major > objections come up. > > Cheers, > > Roland > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Overhaul of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap
Hello everybody, I would like to overhaul one of the second level landing pages in the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Use_OpenStreetMap The main reason is that I've found a forum thread with a completely misinformed user https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56469 When trying to send a proper link to our documentation, I have realized that indeed the wiki leaves a newbie seeking data no way to find how to access it. For this reason I would like to add back the links to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Download that used to be on the front page. To avoid disturbing a second level landing page, I have made a mock-up https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Roland.olbricht/Use_OSM Please feel free to discuss it on the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Use_OpenStreetMap I suggest to move the mock-up to the real page in a week if no major objections come up. Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
