Re: [OSM-talk] Disputed border between Greece and Turkey near Imia/Kardak in the Aegean Sea (was: Re: [Geocoding] Boundries of Kardak Islands)

2017-03-30 Thread Marc Gemis 
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 6:39 AM, David Marchal  wrote:
> If I correctly remember, in such cases, both point of views should be used;
> in this case, two boundary segments should be dragged: one including the
> islets with Greece, and the other one including them with Turkey.

The rule is that border in OSM is where you have to show your passport
to the customs. Or where the barbed wire stands, or  whatever on the
ground fact indicates the presence of a border. The French-Italian
border which overlaps on the Mont-Blanc is not the preferred way
AFAIK.

m.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Disputed border between Greece and Turkey near Imia/Kardak in the Aegean Sea (was: Re: [Geocoding] Boundries of Kardak Islands)

2017-03-30 Thread David Marchal 
If I correctly remember, in such cases, both point of views should be used; in 
this case, two boundary segments should be dragged: one including the islets 
with Greece, and the other one including them with Turkey.

It has already been the case: for instance, the matter of the France-Italia 
border around the Mont-Blanc has never been truly solved: French maps says the 
summit is completely French, while Italian ones says the border crosses the 
summit. Even if the border, while unclear, is not really disputed, as both 
countries merely let it pass, the OSM management for such segment of border is 
that both point of views are displayed.

Anyway, as, in your case, the border is actively disputed, we should draw both; 
I understand that, as a Turk, you could not like that, but OSM must look beyond 
such disputes.

Regards.

Le 30 mars 2017 à 21:41, Florian Schäfer 
mailto:flor...@schaeferban.de>> a écrit :


Dear İlhami Özer,

These borders are disputed and the island is claimed by both Greece and Turkey.

There was a recent incident near the island in January: "A Turkish navy missile 
boat accompanied with two special-forces speedboats entered the area around the 
islets on 29 January 2017. According to the statement issued by the Defence 
Ministry of Greece, they were blocked and warned by Greek coast guard vessels 
and withdrew from the area after about seven minutes. The Turkish armed forces 
denied that the ships were blocked but did not otherwise deny the incident; 
they stated that the mission was a part of an inspection of the Aksaz Naval 
Base by chief of General Staff Hulusi Akar, who was on board at the time." 
(Source: Wikipedia article about the 
island)

You (I assume it's you, because of the similarity of your 
username and your real name and the 
proximity of time to your e-mail to the list) now changed the borders to 
reflect your point of view in this changeset yesterday: 
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/47194531 .

I'm not an expert on borders and how disputed borders are handled in OSM, so I 
forward this to the talk-list, because this probably needs more discussion.

Regards,
Florian

Am 27.03.2017 um 10:36 schrieb ilhami özer:
Dear Openstreetmap valuable workers,

This situation is really important for us. The two islands are within 
bounderies of Turkey Republic. As you can see on the image which we sent 
attachment these two islands out of boundries of Turkey on your tile images. We 
did necessary changes on feature parts. Please can you make these changes on 
your basemap.

Kindly request.

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #349 21/03/2017-27/03/2017

2017-03-30 Thread weeklyteam 
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 349,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8905/

Enjoy!

weeklyOSM? 
who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[OSM-talk] Disputed border between Greece and Turkey near Imia/Kardak in the Aegean Sea (was: Re: [Geocoding] Boundries of Kardak Islands)

2017-03-30 Thread Florian Schäfer 
Dear İlhami Özer,

These borders are disputed and the island is claimed by both Greece and
Turkey.

There was a recent incident near the island in January: "A Turkish navy
missile boat accompanied with two special-forces speedboats entered the
area around the islets on 29 January 2017. According to the statement
issued by the Defence Ministry of Greece, they were blocked and warned
by Greek coast guard vessels and withdrew from the area after about
seven minutes. The Turkish armed forces denied that the ships were
blocked but did not otherwise deny the incident; they stated that the
mission was a part of an inspection of the Aksaz Naval Base by chief of
General Staff Hulusi Akar, who was on board at the time." (Source:
Wikipedia article about the island
)

You (I assume it's you, because of the similarity of your username
 and your real name and the
proximity of time to your e-mail to the list) now changed the borders to
reflect your point of view in this changeset yesterday:
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/47194531 .

I'm not an expert on borders and how disputed borders are handled in
OSM, so I forward this to the talk-list, because this probably needs
more discussion.

Regards,
Florian

Am 27.03.2017 um 10:36 schrieb ilhami özer:
> Dear Openstreetmap valuable workers,
>
> This situation is really important for us. The two islands are within
> bounderies of Turkey Republic. As you can see on the image which we
> sent attachment these two islands out of boundries of Turkey on your
> tile images. We did necessary changes on feature parts. Please can you
> make these changes on your basemap.
>
> Kindly request.
>
> -- 
> İlhami ÖZER 


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Re: [OSM-talk] it may be useful

2017-03-30 Thread Lester Caine 
On 30/03/17 19:47, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 30/03/17 18:38, Lester Caine wrote:
>> Kind regards, Lester Caine
> 
> *I* did not sent that email! Which is why it has another email address
> since forging my own would fall fowl of my spf record!

OK anybody know who to report 'The Brit Method' website to for forging
other peoples details to spam via groups. SEVEN different copies of the
same crap with my name on across a number of lists, and I see they are
using other list members details as well ... I will not publish their
real web address as that just plays to their tactics :(

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Re: [OSM-talk] it may be useful

2017-03-30 Thread Lester Caine 
On 30/03/17 18:38, Lester Caine wrote:
> Kind regards, Lester Caine

*I* did not sent that email! Which is why it has another email address
since forging my own would fall fowl of my spf record!

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [HOT] Call for Logos for State of the Map Asia 2017

2017-03-30 Thread maning sambale 
FYI, State of the Map Asia 2017 will happen in Kathmandu Sept-Oct 2017
(dates TBD).  Please help us design the logo.

-- Forwarded message --
From: kshitiz khanal 
Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:23 AM
Subject: [HOT] Call for Logos for State of the Map Asia 2017
To: h...@openstreetmap.org, sotm-a...@openstreetmap.org,
talk...@openstreetmap.org


Dear all,

The State of the Map Asia 2017 working group is pleased to announce a
call for logo designs. We need your help to build a strong
recognisable logo for State of the Map Asia 2017 (SotM Asia)
conference taking place in Kathmandu, Nepal. The conference is
OpenStreetMap’s annual gathering of the community, interested parties
and others in Asia.

We have put together a Design Brief which outlines what we were
looking for in a logo. Entrants could be an individual or team of
people, or even a design company.

All entries will be considered to give copyright ownership to SotM so
that it can be used across different mediums. Entries have to appear
on the wiki page State Of The Map Asia 2017/Logo entries by 23:59 UTC
(before midnight) on 15th of April 2017. The SotM Asia 2017 working
group will decide by vote the logo to go with.

The winning entry will be rewarded with one full weekend ticket to
State of the Map Asia 2017!

For guidelines and other details, please refer to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_for_logo_sotm_asia_2017


Regards,


Kshitiz Khanal

Researcher

Kathmandu Living Labs




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Re: [OSM-talk] multipolygon source tags preferred method

2017-03-30 Thread Paul Johnson 
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 9:06 AM, nwastra  wrote:

> Putting the sources on the objects has been deprecated for a while. The
> source should be put on the changeset only. If you are doing edits that
> involve several different sources, it is best to split the changes up
> into different changesets. Of course this is not always possible, then
> you can also put several sources in the changeset source tag.
>
> Adding the source to the objects was deprecated, too fined-grained
> source tagging simply doesn't make much sense. We can not track every
> source for every node, way, or relation or the parts of them for every
> tiny change that somebody does. In the end most data will have multiple
> sources and figuring out what came from what can only be done going
> through the changeset tags, not by looking at the tags on the data
> itself.
>
> Jochen
> --
> Jochen Topf
>
>
I have been known to use the name:source=* and maxspeed:source=* keys as
Oklahoma signage is generously described as "creative", causing people to
sometimes incorrectly clear name=* or replace it.  This tends to occur most
commonly on highways renamed within roughly the last 5-10 years, and on
dual carriageways where one carriageway has a different name than the
opposite carriageway.  And posting countywide speed limits exactly one time
at the county boundary on a sign apparently written in 3 point Flyspeck
font, hidden in a bush

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