Re: [talk-au] NSW Fire Station names
Echoing what cleary said about reliance on the DCS Base Map, it's not our
goal to recreate their label format.
In my opinion it's more important to have branch and ref tagged as it gives
more flexibility to data consumers on how they choose to label it, eg. they
could choose,
{branch} FS
{branch} Fire Station
{branch} Fire Station, {ref}
{operator} Station {ref}, {branch}
etc.
For the name I'd first go with any signage on the ground, but otherwise I
think "Lane Cove Fire Station" works well.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 22:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note .. The Lane Cove Fire Station had 2 entries for the one feature,
> one on a single node the other on a way tagged for the building. I
> removed the duplicated tags from the building and place them on the
> node. No I am not doing this everywhere, I seek to separate the
> amenity=fire_station from the building=* and then expand the amenity to
> the boundaries usually beyond the building. Lane Cove did not lend
> itself to that. Still thinking on it, and a few other problem sites.
>
For fire stations that have grounds then yes you'd have
amenity=fire_station on the grounds with a seperate building=* way inside.
But for these city fire stations that don't have grounds and take up the
whole building, the amenity=fire_station -should go on the building way.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sticker "fauteuil roulant" sur commerce et tag wheelchair
Bonjourr, Le 12.02.23 à 16:35, Daniel Garcia a écrit : Sur deux commerces de mon centre-ville, qui ont chacun 2 bonnes marches devant l'entrée (totalement inaccessibles en fauteuil roulant), j'ai vu un sticker "fauteuil roulant" bleu à côté de l'entrée. Dans l'un des commerces, il y avait un bouton en dessous, mais pas dans l'autre. peut-être faut-il appeler Je n'ai pas trouvé sur Internet à quoi exactement ça correspond leur demander ? :) je ne vois pas comment ça aiderait quelqu'un en fauteuil roulant à y accéder (j'ai déjà vu des stickers/boutons similaires dans des agences bancaires, mais elles avaient un dénivelé moins important et une partie métallisée indiquant la présence d'une rampe amovible). même sans partie métallisée fixe, il est possible d'installer une rampe sur les marches... mais 2 marches, cela fait généralement une bonne pente et j'espère que le commerçant a de bons muscles :) Sur https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:wheelchair j'ai l'impression que cela pourrait correspondre à "wheelchair=designated", mais je n'en suis pas sûr. Quelqu'un aurait plus de connaissances sur le sujet ? hum je trouve pas. "designated_" signifie que cela a été conçu pour cela (par exemple une rampe en U pour avoir une + grande longueur et donc une pente plus faible. ici de ce que tu décris il n'y a rien de conçu spécifiquement, c'est même tout le contraire puisque tu doutes de l'accessibilité. si tu souhaites ajouter une donnée, je pense que wheelchair=yes sur le poi avec source=local knwoledge sur le changeset : le POI se dit comme étant accessible, tu rapportes l'info de quelqu'un, sans l'avoir vu (l'accessibilité) sur place. il serrait à mon avis utile d'ajouter wheelchair:description=présence d'un sticker fauteuil roulant bleu et/ou bouton d'appel l'utilisateur a ainsi les infos (lui connaît sans doute) pour choisir en connaissance de cause la fiabilité de cette affirmation Cordialement, Marc ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Sticker "fauteuil roulant" sur commerce et tag wheelchair
Bonjour, Sur deux commerces de mon centre-ville, qui ont chacun 2 bonnes marches devant l'entrée (totalement inaccessibles en fauteuil roulant), j'ai vu un sticker "fauteuil roulant" bleu à côté de l'entrée. Dans l'un des commerces, il y avait un bouton en dessous, mais pas dans l'autre. Je n'ai pas trouvé sur Internet à quoi exactement ça correspond. L'un est un coiffeur, l'autre un opticien. Sauf s'ils ont une entrée latérale, je ne vois pas comment ça aiderait quelqu'un en fauteuil roulant à y accéder (j'ai déjà vu des stickers/boutons similaires dans des agences bancaires, mais elles avaient un dénivelé moins important et une partie métallisée indiquant la présence d'une rampe amovible). Sur https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:wheelchair j'ai l'impression que cela pourrait correspondre à "wheelchair=designated", mais je n'en suis pas sûr. Quelqu'un aurait plus de connaissances sur le sujet ? Merci, Daniel ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
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Re: [talk-au] NSW Fire Station names
On 12/2/23 21:02, cleary wrote: In principle, I agree with Warin. My problem is relying on the Base Map as an authoritative source for names when there is other information. What 'other information' that is OSM compatible for copyright? Note 'other information' can be used to find stuff but not for entry into OSM but as a means to find it and then use OSM compatible sources to make the entry. I just looked at Lane Cove Fire Station which has been recently re-tagged. It looks good to me. The 'name' I think is ok. The 'alt_name' I think should be 'official_name' ... Note .. The Lane Cove Fire Station had 2 entries for the one feature, one on a single node the other on a way tagged for the building. I removed the duplicated tags from the building and place them on the node. No I am not doing this everywhere, I seek to separate the amenity=fire_station from the building=* and then expand the amenity to the boundaries usually beyond the building. Lane Cove did not lend itself to that. Still thinking on it, and a few other problem sites. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Fire Station names
In principle, I agree with Warin. My problem is relying on the Base Map as an authoritative source for names when there is other information. I just looked at Lane Cove Fire Station which has been recently re-tagged. It looks good to me. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
On 12/2/23 04:41, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: obvious typos: `surface=paving stones` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=Paving_stones` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=paving_stones:` → `surface=paving_stones` different form than standard surface value: `surface=wooden` → `surface=wood` `surface=cobblestones` → `surface=cobblestone` Polish name to English one: `surface=żwirowa` → `surface=gravel` `surface=kostka` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=gruntowa` → `surface=unpaved` English vs very close to English but actually different: `surface=asfalt` → `surface=asphalt` Edit would be automatic, Yes, please do it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] NSW Fire Station names
On 12/2/23 09:30, cleary wrote: I have one further comment about obsolete information on the DCS NSW Base Map. Located at 744 Carnarvon Highway, just north of Moree is a building that is labelled on the Base Map as OTC Satellite Earth Station. As far as I could find out, it ceased to have that purpose about 35 years ago but it has never been changed on the Base Map . That is the most obsolete item that I have identified but it is a reminder that names on the Base Map are not necessarily current. Not a question of current but the normal, common, format of these 'names'. Fire Station: I gave one link to a table with 'names', and 'station numbers' from Fire and Rescue NSW that has the same names as DCS. Press reports state the name in the same format; Bombala Fire Station - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/bombala-fire-rescue-inspiring-female-firefighters/12741618 - Later in the report there is a link to https://www.facebook.com/bombala230?fref=mentions and that uses 'Fire and Rescue NSW Station 230 Bombala' but in their text they use 'Station 230' and 'FRNSW Bombala'. Dungog Fire Station https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-07/fire-and-rescue-nsw-investigating-claims-at-dungog-fire-station/11566342 Rural Fire Brigade: "The NSW RFS comprises almost 2,000 rural fire brigades " https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/about-us Press Silverton Rural Fire Brigade https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-08-20/firefighters-fear-station-closure/482634 On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, at 8:54 AM, cleary wrote: The DCS NSW Base Map is a great resource but some aspects do not seem to get updated e.g. roads that were once public but are now private may still appear on the map to have former status (e.g. parts of unincorporated area in western NSW), re-named roads may still show old names, waterways show names contrary to those signposted at locations (e.g. in Murray River LGA). As far as I can ascertain, there is no regular process for updating the Base Map and it seems to depend on each particular agency such as the local government body, Roads and Maritime Services, Rural Fire Service or Health Service to instigate changes of details for their assets. It does not always happen. In the past I have contacted local councils about some conflicting information and always have been given information that the Base Map showed obsolete information. In regard to fire stations, I would think the operators, Fire and Rescue NSW or the Rural Fire Service would be the most authoritative sources regarding names for their facilities. The Base Map is a wonderful resource that I have used extensively but I have learned that if there is contradictory information from another source, especially survey or the operators of the facilities, then the information from the other source should prevail. On Sat, 11 Feb 2023, at 9:58 PM, Warin wrote: Hi, I came across this while separating amenity=fire_station from their building=*. The object is to map the amenity with all the name, operator, etc tags on the amenity and leave the building alone. The names on the DCS Base Map do not match some of the names on the OSM map. For Fire and Rescue NSW the DCS base map has, for example ‘Lane Cove Fire Station’ while OSM has ‘Fire and Rescue NSW Station 167 Lane Cove (in the tagging guidelines). The number appears to be a ‘station number’ – seehttps://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/station_list/ The names there on the station list comply with the DCS Base Map … and it is how I would ask for them at the pub/in the street. I think the number may be best entered under the tag ‘ref=*’ and the name as per the DCS Base Map. So I'd like to change the names to comply wit the DCS Base Map. Additional notes? The name tag is for 'the common name'. The long winded name looks to be some 'public service' name for pollies to use .. And we have official_name ... "Useful where there is some elaborate official name, while a different one is a common name typically used" The quoted text comes from the OSM wiki.. honest. -- For the Rural Fire Service some names are ‘Nowhere Rural Fire Service’ where the DCS Base Map would have ‘Nowhere RFB’ (‘Nowhere’ is an example – don’t have one to hand). I take ‘RFB’ to be an abbreviation of ‘Rural Fire Brigade’, where as Rural Fire Service is an abbreviation of the operator. I think ‘Nowhere Rural Fire Brigade’ is the correct name. Thoughts?? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org
