Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports
Hi Alan, I would like to go one step further. For an example of what I mean, check out my home airport, CYKZ (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.86025lon=-79.37129zoom=16). You will notice nodes for things like: - Windsocks - VASI/PAPI And other details like runway width, and surface (on the runway ways). The idea being to eventually render all the necessary details to get around an airport (as a pilot). The problem (at least here in Canada) is that Nav Canada owns the copyright to all these details, so unless you know the airport intimately it's hard to get such details. If the licence from the FAA allows, I would be willing to spend the time to import the data into OSM. I could probably go so far as to automatically add runways since I beleive the FAA publishes runway threshold lat/longs. Blake On 20/12/2010 12:59 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: I reviewed the subject airport imports in southern CA. I'm surprised that there were only 16 imports in bbox=-122,33,-115,38 given the mentioned 23000 nodes total. Must be other parts of the world that were not well-covered? They are all private facilities, and I tagged them access=private. This is probably why they were missing from earlier imports to begin with. One of the heliport was non-existent, while others were mis-placed by up to 100m. Also, none of them had identifiers (probably as a result of being small, private facilities unknown to ICAO IATA), though I was able to find FAA identifiers for them. There is a lot more useful info available in the FAA datasheets, like runway elevations/slopes/weight limits, airport elevation, magnetic variation, fuels, etc. Is anyone interested in or working on this? It would be relatively simple to scrape from the FAA datasheets or imports them from their dataset if available. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Massive import of airports
Hello, I'm responsible for the massive import of airports yesterday. First of all, I would like to apologize for its outcome. My intention was to map some of the missing airports from OSM. My methodology was as follows: - Check to see what data is already in OSM. Download the data from the XAPI. - If a node in OSM was within 0.1' of a node in the ourairports.com data, then do not import. As you can see there was a flaw. Not all airports in OSM have nodes, but they use ways/areas instead. As someone pointed out on the list, I did forget step two for a few heliports, and had to revert. This is why you saw some duplicates appear, then dissapear. My second mistake was not talking to the community first, and for that I apologize. I was careful to ensure that the data did have the correct licence, which can be found at www.openstreetmap.com/data/ . If I was incorrect in assuming that Public Domain was not allowed, please let me know. Moving forward, I will be glad to revert all my changes or I can work with the community to improve the data quality. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports
On 17/12/2010 9:42 AM, Peter Körner wrote: The community has to decide it the changes should be reverted. How many nodes did you import? There were 23,013 nodes: Of those: 3,680 were Heliports/Helipads 19,333 were Aerodromes The general consensus with other users who have e-mailed me directly/on this list is that I should revert the changes for which a node appears INSIDE an area defined as as helipad/aerodrome. I will begin work on that today and should have everything completed by 2300 UTC. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports
On 17/12/2010 10:57 AM, David Paleino wrote: I'd say also near, not only inside, if you can :-) My first round of deletions have completed (changeset 6688755). It resulted in the deletion of 921 nodes. Any of the nodes that I added that was within 0.1' of any existing node/way tagged as aeroway='aerodrome' has been removed. I will be performing the same for aeroway='helipad' shortly. I will also be asking users who've emailed me privately to see if they can confirm that the clean-up worked in their areas. Thanks for your patience. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ca] Fire Hydrant Data for Toronto
Hello, I'm currently working with the Open Toronto group (www.toronto.ca/open) to get fire hydrant data for the City of Toronto. Would anyone have any objection to me importing this data? Blake ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Fire Hydrant Data for Toronto
Hi John, Thanks for the info. I will keep that under advisement. Blake On 17/12/2010 10:56 AM, john whelan wrote: Check the license on this data very carefully their idea of Open currently doesn't align with OpenStreetMap. They have a working group looking into the matter currently. Also have a look at the road system where you are thinking of importing. If its a mish-mash of GPS, Satellite traced then the road network may not align with your data. It might be worth waiting for the license issue to get sorted out and Commonmap. Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Fire Hydrant Data for Toronto
On 17/12/2010 10:42 AM, G. Michael Carter wrote: Got my vote, I like lots of data... although why would anyone other than the fire department need to know where the fire hydrant's are? One reason I can think of has to do with house insurance. Insurance rates are based on how close you are to a fire hall and fire hydrant. Another reason I can think of has to do with parking. Since you are not allowed to park in front of a hydrant. I think having these on a map may help. Blake ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Airports
Ahh... it's nice to be back on the list. From the archives I see there are some new faces. Let me re-introduce my self. I'm user bcrosby and started mapping the town of Aurora, Ontario back in 2008. I've been busy since then with another project called World Flight Planner (www.worldflightplanner.com) which allows pilots to plan their flights. I'm going to incorporate some airport information from OSM into my application. In the mean time, I'm also going to improve Airport data quality in OSM. If nobody has any objections, I would like to put some tagging guidelines in the Canadian Tagging Guideline Wiki Page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines) for airport specific information. I will be sure to keep them aligned with the guidelines found at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Airport . I'm then going to start adding or improving the airport information in Ontario. Then work my way to other provinces. Let me know if you have any questions :) Blake ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] More easter eggs in Google Maps
Andrew, It looks like they got the information from the TTC website. Maybe the TTC addresses and/or the geocoder to use aren't perfect? I'm hoping this is the first step in providing a route planner for the TTC. Blake Andrew MacKinnon wrote: Looking at Google Maps today, I noticed that they added the subway stations in Toronto, Canada. But most of them are in the wrong place - sometimes up to 2km away from the correct location - or missing completely. http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=enie=UTF8ll=43.654708,-79.38386spn=0.03875,0.073729z=14 Compare to OpenStreetMap, with the correct subway station locations: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.6599lon=-79.3859zoom=14layers=B0FT Sent an email to Google but it will probably take months to correct. In the mean time OSM will get a lot of new mappers in Toronto. :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Spot Satellite Messenger
I own one of these units and it would not be useful for OSM. The upload rate is only every 10 minutes when you are using the tracking option. Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Martes, 1 de Abril de 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Don't know what they are using for the uplink, claims 100% satellite. http://www.findmespot.com/ExploreSPOT/HowItWorks.aspx ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GeoGratis - Low accuracy Waterways.
All of the offending data has been removed. Please let me know if you see anything odd or of the data in your area of Canada is still there. Blake Blake Crosby wrote: Just an update... Ways have been removed, I'm in the process of removing the nodes should be done in about 2 hours or so. I will post another update when the removal process is complete. Blake Blake Crosby wrote: The history also doesn't show a user for the intial way, though this data does NEED to be removed immediately. I am in the process of removing the data now. This was imported BY MISTAKE, by my self. I didn't even realize it until the post by Simon. I'll be more careful in the future. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GeoGratis - Low accuracy Waterways.
Just an update... Ways have been removed, I'm in the process of removing the nodes should be done in about 2 hours or so. I will post another update when the removal process is complete. Blake Blake Crosby wrote: The history also doesn't show a user for the intial way, though this data does NEED to be removed immediately. I am in the process of removing the data now. This was imported BY MISTAKE, by my self. I didn't even realize it until the post by Simon. I'll be more careful in the future. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GeoGratis - Low accuracy Waterways.
The history also doesn't show a user for the intial way, though this data does NEED to be removed immediately. I am in the process of removing the data now. This was imported BY MISTAKE, by my self. I didn't even realize it until the post by Simon. I'll be more careful in the future. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tourist/Leisure Trails
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, There is already a page in the wiki for trails (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapping/Features/Trail), but this is really just tagging a way with permitted usage (such as footpath, cyclepath, etc.). Is there any way of marking a 'trail', where a marked route which may exist on other ways in part or as a whole? I think following the current bus route tagging scheme might be a good start? A trail or walking route is no different than a cycling route and bus route.. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:route Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How do we tag passing/slow lanes?
To further illustrate what Simon is talking about, check out this page: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.7.4.shtml Also known as climbing lanes. Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm a new comer working in/on Southern Alberta. Just getting to grips with the range of tags available, and have a question about passing/slow lanes. By passing lane, I mean a section of non-segregated road which has an additional lane in one direction. This is often on an up-hill section where larger traffic would slow, however this is not always the case. Here they have built a series of passing lanes on Highway 3 (Crowsnest Pass to Lethbridge) instead of building segregated lanes. The same situation can occur where you have turn left/right turn lanes at junctions, which is very common here. The only suggestion I had was to set lanes to '1+2', which would mean 1 lane in the forward direction (of the way) and 2 in the reverse direction. If by convention the user was to use the 'normal' width as the first parameter then renderers which did not support this extra feature would be able to easy parse out the data. This obviously means sections of road might have the opposite way direction, but I don't think that matters. It would also require some fine tuning of which lane merged back into the normal flow, ie. did the 1st or 2nd lane have to merge? Comments? Cheers, Mungewell. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Free aerentical data
There is a source of data that might be helpful. http://www.ourairports.com/ contains information about most of the official airports in the world, plus some ones that are not documented. I'm unsure of the type of license, however, if you contact the site owner, he will be glad to help you out. That said. I really think we should have some sort of disclaimer about using aeronautical information in the OSM to be used for reference only. And should not be used for actual navigation in the real world. Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New Mapping Effort: Aurora, Ontario, Canada
Hello, This is just a note to let any interested parties in a new mapping effort that is being organized by me. There is a lack of data for the York Region area of southern Ontario. I figured we could start in Aurora, since is where I live. I have details outlined at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Aurora Anyone who can help contribute should contact me. Thanks! Blake ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
