Re: [OSM-talk] Very not happy
On 07/21/2012 12:20 AM, Maetma 91 wrote: Today I look at the map and I see that lot work I do last year is gone. Did you accept the license change? If you did, someone else may have done larger changes to your work or may have removed and replaced it with something else (but you didn't notice). Or the redaction bot may have had some error... I didn't read about the redaction being run until yesterday, as I spent last week in hospital and also had some very busy weeks before. I'm not happy about it myself, but at some point it had to be done and it didn't come unannounced. I live in Berlin, Germany and some bigger spots went missing here as well but surprisingly it's not that serious and mostly can be easily repaired. Details (like ATMs, banks, bars, ...) are harder to replace than streets, parks and buildings but maybe it's not bad as those details may have been needing an update anyway. I already fixed some minor objects yesterday that went missing around the hospital I was in and may re-add some more stuff today. I suppose, the larger damage (parks, sights, main roads) will be repaired quickly. If I think back at how Berlin looked in OSM only a few years ago and how fast it improved, the wound inflicted by license redaction may look severe but will heal fast enough. What OSM lost for the moment is mainly commercial usability. In my opinion, every project or company using OSM data should have been advised to temporarily freeze their databases before redaction began, but I don't know if that happened. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker on TED
I heard about TED only recently and what I've read and seen about it so far seems like an insult - conspirative pseudo-open meetings for well-paying members of that strange elitist association. Talks seem to be only held by those members or VIPs that are invited occasionally if any. Even if I would tolerate all that, there would still remain a strange feeling about TED, something I don't like. Maybe I just don't get something but that whole elitarist stuff smells bad. I'd better stay away from them and go to some real open conferences and exhibitions instead. Bye, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] icon for veterinary (was: no rendering of amenity=veterinary)
I think re-rendering all tiles that have vets in it will take some time - first, the new icon must be deployed to the generating servers, then they need to be re-rendered. If it's changed later on there might be different icons for vets until all affected tiles are re-rendered a second time. I don't know when re-rendering happens but I would guess that's not very practical? So it's better to decide for/discuss about one icon before it's implemented. Bye, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] icon for veterinary (was: no rendering of amenity=veterinary)
Hi again! I didn't expect that my previous question would make such a great fuss. Since I now volunteered for implementing an icon for amenity=veterinary, I couldn't get my mind off the icon itself today. The approved proposal - which I now know should not have any direct influence on the renderers presentation since they are independent projects - included a paw icon that shows up at rendered-as in the green box at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approved_features/Veterinary As user Breezer commented *after* the voting had passed, that could be misleadingly interpreted as a pet shop instead. I agree with that and would prefer a different or modified icon. Now I've got a few more questions: (practical, not technical) 1. Am I free to choose any other icon at my own decision or should I open a draft/RFC/vote in the wiki (or elsewhere) and post a few alternative icons? This is not about necessity but about organizational stuff since there was a somehow approved icon already and openstreetmap.org displays tiles on its front page, so I don't want to interfere with previous decisions. 2. I personally would prefer a rod of Asclepius and a V (for veterinary). Having done some quick searches on Google and Flickr that seems to be commonly used almost worldwide (limited to the search results) as far as there are any standardized icons/signs. Is there a place (maybe this mailinglist should be sufficient) to ask whether that's really easy to understand for everyone? It should be for Europe and according to my searches also in the USA and Australia; but what about other countries or is that irrelevant? There are existing nodes all over the world (currently only a minority outside Europe, USA and Australia), so the same icon would show up globally as soon as the tiles are being rerendered. 3. My personal favorite is still the rod and the V enclosed by a red circle as used in JOSM and suggested by Ulfl. I'm unsure if that may be protected by law or registered as a trademark since it's the sign used throughout Germany at almost all vet surgeries. I would ask my government as well as the veterinary association about it by email. If it's protected we couldn't use it. If it isn't (according to these two emails) I would like to choose it as the rendering icon. What's the official policy of OSM, Osmarender and Mapnik concerning the use of such icons? I know that Wikipedia has the policy to either don't use them at all or the email communication has to be archived at the foundation for later legal reference. Since I'm in Germany, there's neither fair use nor public domain for me; if there's any chance of a remotely legal issue I'm unable to use that icon or it could be seen as an infringement. Thanks, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary
Hi! I recently added a veterinary to OSM by setting amenity=veterinary as approved in August 2008; see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Veterinary http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dveterinary Unfortunately, veterinaries are not yet being rendered by Osmarender or Mapnik. The proposal contained a paw icon to be rendered, whereas a different icon was proposed on the same wiki page by Ulfl: http://www.gpsdrive.de/development/map-icons/classic.big/health/veterinary.png The second icon is also used by JOSM and commonly used in Germany (a V for veterinary (?) and a rod of Asclepius). Are there any plans for including vet support in terms of an icon on the official maps? It has been over a year since the proposal was approved and I couldn't find anything new about its progress for being supported by Mapnik or Osmarender. Is there anything that prevents adding an icon? If rendered, an icon should be shown e.g. there: (node 603392630, not visible on current tiles) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.43027lon=13.2372zoom=17layers=B000FTF According to http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/amenity/veterinary there are currently 835 global nodes with amenity=veterinary; adding rendering support could be useful. By the way, I think emergency=yes|no could also make sense on amenity=veterinary but I don't know if that's something that should be rendered as well (currently only 3 nodes use that unapproved tag). It's not yet in the wiki for veterinaries but for hospitals. However, a proposal for different hospital icons has been abandoned, but I wanted to point out that possibility if someone is going to implement the missing rendering of veterinaries anyway (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hospital:_Emergency ). Bye, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary
Hi! Sorry if I opened old wounds by asking; I couldn't find anything about the current status, that's why I asked. As a newbie to OSM it seemed strange that an approved proposal has an icon attached but noone ever mentioned it again. It's good to know that nothing has been done yet to include it into the renderer. If there would have been some work I would probably have duplicated that for nothing. I'll have a look at the stylesheets and submit a patch for them. I will look into Mapnik as well if there's also nothing in progress already. If a flying rhino falls from the sky it surely needs to know where to find a vet. ;) Bye, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary
Personally I wouldn't care that much about whether something I enter into the database is going to be rendered on the official tiles or not; it's there and someone may use it some day. There are more use cases for the data in OSM than just being rendered to the usual road maps. But in my case, I think it would be nice to have vets displayed, especially since that's a propsed feature that has been approved with 100% of the votes (but maybe simply noone was interested in voting against it) and already had an icon attached to it. (only as PNG, not SVG, though) As I'm new to (editing) OSM I only made a few edits yet, but I already included some invisible metadata, not caring whether it's currently going to be shown to web users or not. I know that OSM is more than just the tiles but vets for instance seem to be worthwhile although maybe not all too conventional POIs to render. Plus, if there's a visible feature, users may think oh, but they forgot one and start entering more (because: Wow, they include such places? Cool!). That won't happen if it's completely invisible. Also, if these POIs are outdated, people who know about it and could fix it maybe simply wouldn't see it, so these nodes remain in the database. Bye, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
