Hi All, Ray, Hannah, Ryan and I have been correcting and validating for the last few hours to bring things back to good. Have you already corrected or reverted some of the errors that were noted?
We noticed and corrected the following errors: - lines used as area markers - regions were not tagged with anything (just areas, instead of buildings) - buildings were missing - random 'other' points Please give us your feedback on what we did tonight. We were impressed by some of the advanced mapping that was done before us. What we learned from this: - Hold closed mapathons for the time being - Be sure to have a sign-up sheet that includes everyone OSM id name - Provide better training with a hands-on example - Give newcomers a standard first assignment and check it with them before giving them a real assignment - Just after the mapathon, have all the organizers head over to an organizer's house or a coffeehouse to spend an hour or two working together to verify - We thought we asked for OSM expert mappers to join us but no one responded. Ryan sent a request message to talk...@openstreetmap.org, and h...@openstreetmap.org - Is more notice needed? Looking forward to your replies. Sincerely, Donna and our Mapathon Team P.S. a question: #3757 Jabal al Baba - there's a marker stating "demolition orders"... is there a way to add notes? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Donna Baranski-Walker <dbarans...@gmail.com> Date: Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [OpenStreetMap] Problem mapping in your HOT Palestine projects To: bgirardot <m-669689-7a6...@messages.openstreetmap.org> Cc: Ryan Gee <r...@rebuildingalliance.org>, Mikel Maron <mi...@mapbox.com>, Ray Rischpater <kf6...@gmail.com>, Hannah Pan <p.han2...@outlook.com> Hi Blake, I am Ryan's supervisor at Rebuilding Alliance and I asked him to let me reply since he was unable to join us for our mapathon on Oct. 28th. That said, I've been out with a nasty cough for the past few days. Please pardon my delay in getting back to you. I've read through many of the messages - I signed up for OSM-Talk, but I'm not quite sure how to join the conversation. I can answer some questions, and I have other questions too. I am copying our recent intern, Hannah, who organized the Mapathon. Hannah and I are beginners and we've participated in (and I organized) Mapping Palestine mapathons before, including one at RightsCon. A friend and experienced mapper, Ray Rischpater, joined us on Saturday and I'm copying Ray on this message too. Here's what we did: 1. We held a mapathon on Oct. 28th and there were 40 or more attending. Most were beginners - many were high school students, one was a 6th grader (he was really good at this), one was in her 80's. Some watched the 'how to map on OSM' video - and many did not. For future mapathons we will need to do a much better job of instructing the participants on how to map. 2. On OSM Talk, someone noted, There also seems to be a pattern of people removing and readding buildings or adding buildings on top of buildings. (Why are they doing that? Perhaps they have an assignment of a minimum additions and it's a way to cheaply meet some quota?) I think this has to do with our custom data set. Our partners in Palestine are the Geospatial mapping team at the Ministry of Local Governments. They worked with Mikel at Mapbox to import a high res. custom data set but the custom set if offset from the Bing map. We instructed our mapathon mappers to correct the mapping done to date by moving the boxes into place -- but if you are looking at the outcome on the standard Bing map, it will look offset once again, and you will wonder why people are re-adding buildings. Ryan has an important observation about this and a suggestion for Mikel and the GeoMoLG team that could remedy this. I sent that forward in a separate message. 3. I want to bring our marathon organizing team together this weekend to verify and make corrections. Hannah, Ryan, and Ray might we meet on Saturday or on Sunday late afternoon? 4. The beginners on Rebuilding Alliance's team are going to be learning a lot more about OSM now - and I want to invite more people to join Rebuilding Alliance's mapathon team so that future US Mapping Palestine mapathons are well-supported and seamless. 5. We’re working with the GeoMoLG team to get ready for OSM Mapathons in Palestine with the villagers participating. If all goes well, our next US Mapathons will be more accurate and the villagers can do verification and naming, as well as mapping themselves. Before we begin, we are seeking OSM experts in Palestine who can meet with the GeoMoLG team and attend the mapathons too. A prof at Birzeit University has expressed interest - hoping to be in touch with him soon. 6. Now for my questions: are you seeing any evidence of intentional spamming? Some of the high school students may have attended just for community service points and were not interested and lax at their mapping. However a few people who attended (this was a public event) were very vocally opposed to our mapping Palestine. Luckily they left after an hour and as far as I could tell, they were not mapping. 7. How do you propose we proceed with resolving the bad changesets? I'm thinking we should look at each village and each person's entries on Oct. 28th and make corrections one-by-one, yes? 8. Overall, the mapathon was very well received. Hannah did a great job of organizing and most of the attendees got a lot out of it. Discussions ranged from philosophical, to political, to technical. People of all ages participated and worked with one another to do the mapping. Thank you for your insight. I look forward to your reply and working with you and the OSM Talk Community so that we can get these problems resolved, and do better next time. Sincerely, Donna *Donna Baranski-Walker / Founder & Executive Director / Rebuilding Alliance* *1818 Gilbreth Road Ste 243, Burlingame CA 94010 U.S.A.**Mobile: **+1 650 440-9667 <(650)%20440-9667> ** Office: +1 650 651-7165 <(650)%20651-7165>* *www.RebuildingAlliance.org <http://www.RebuildingAlliance.org/>* *Rebuilding Alliance, a U.S. 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, is dedicated to rebuilding war-torn communities and bringing the world together to make them safe. * 'Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in awareness' — James Thurber On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Ryan Gee <r...@rebuildingalliance.org> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: bgirardot <m-669689-7a6...@messages.openstreetmap.org> > Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:50 AM > Subject: [OpenStreetMap] Problem mapping in your HOT Palestine projects > To: r...@rebuildingalliance.org > > > [image: OpenStreetMap] <http://www.openstreetmap.org/> *OpenStreetMap* > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/> > > Hi RyGee, > > *bgirardot* <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot> has sent you a > message through OpenStreetMap with the subject *Problem mapping in your > HOT Palestine projects*: > [image: bgirardot] <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bgirardot> > > Hi RyGee, > > Several OSM community members have identified problems with mappers > working on your Palestine projects. > > Can you please review this osm-talk email list thread and then review the > mapping to see what is happening? > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-October/079378.html > > I have not looked at the mapping myself so I have no idea if the issues > are accurate or not. > > Also, there seemed to be some indication people were intentionally mapping > badly or just trying to get stats up, like for a school assignment. > > Please let me know after you have looked into the issue and please let me > know if you have any questions. > > Respectfully, Blake > > You can also read the message at http://www.openstreetmap.org/m > essage/read/669689 > and you can reply at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/reply/669689 > > OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/> > > > > -- > *Ryan Gee* > > *Executive Assistant* > > *Mapping Program Coordinator* > U.S. Office: +1 (650) 651-7165 <%28650%29%20651-7165> >
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