Re: [OSM-talk] Grab using OSM Data for route preview

2018-12-19 Thread Ervin Malicdem
They have been known NOT to attribute OSM since over 4 years back. [1]
Unfortunately, our community leaders back then is more assertive in
other ways than those who potentially violate the attribution guidelines.

They were notified but instead of replying back for a resolution, they
ceased using the map and got back to Google Maps.

It is a good thing though that they are now considering going back to the
community by being a corporate member to the foundation. Probably they have
already realized the importance of crowd source and open data to their
business model.

I just hoped before they were given a seat as part of OSMF's ADVISORY
board, these issues had been handled. 500 euros seems to clear all that
history so soon.

But still, the issue remains that when the community does not care about
these violations, then we are prone to such instance over and over. Thanks
for seeing that this get to be known Mishari!

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2014-July/005207.html


Ervin M.
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On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:30 PM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018, Mishari Muqbil 
> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Good news overall for the project I suppose, Grab (SE Asia's Uber) is
> using data from OSM to do fare calculations as well as display route
> previews in their app, making it a high profile use case for OSM Data. Now
> if only they would attribute us.
> >
> > https://www.mishari.net/en/2018/12/grab-osm-data/
>
> Hi Mishari,
>
> I won't comment on whether the attribution to OSM is enough or not. That
> is something that is for the OSMF Licencing Working Group to decide. Please
> feel free to join the legal-talk mailing list[1] if you want to discuss the
> lack of attribution further. But it is already known that Grab uses and
> contributes to OSM.
>
> Grab is a Gold Corporate Member of the OSM Foundation and they have a
> representative on the Advisory Board by virtue of their Gold corporate
> membership:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Corporate_Members
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board
>
> Grab has a dedicated mapping team helping to map and improve the road
> network in urban areas where they operate. Their mapping process is
> documented on the OSM Wiki and they keep track of their progress on GitHub:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Grab
> https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data
>
> And there has even been a recent article on Quartz on why Grab is doing
> this:
>
> https://qz.com/1481849/grab-southeast-asias-biggest-ride-hailing-firm-is-on-a-mapping-spree/
>
> [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
>
> ~Eugene
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] "local chapter" DWG

2014-04-15 Thread Ervin Malicdem
Assigning local DWGs gets the job done faster in a local level as they can
easily find out if the edits are vandalized due to first-hand knowledge of
the data; and immediate lock out of the account can help control
additional  vandalized edits. And this can be performed faster as the local
DWG is on the same time zone.

And having a global DWG as an escalation point  would make a "final"
decision in case there is a need for it. If there is a need for
arbitration, this setup would be beneficial and would foster transparency.

Though most of the time, these vandals would never insist for their edits
as most of the time they are just trolling around and escalation would most
likely never happen.

Local DWGs, IMHO are beneficial for faster response.

Ervin M.
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:57 AM, maning sambale
>  wrote:
> > Dear everyone,
> >
> > This is a thorny issue bit will ask anyway. ;)
> >
> > Not very often, but we do encounter questionable contributions.
> > Normally, local mappers would contact the specific contributor  to
> > explain and provide guidance.  But in some cases, these messages were
> > ignored and the contributor continues to do questionable edits.
> >
> > There is a DWG [0] to resolve such issue.  We do understand that DWG
> > members are volunteers like most of us and local issues might not get
> > attention immediately.  I would like to discuss the possibility for
> > our local chapter/community to form our own sort of DWG where we can
> > address local concerns/disputes.
> >
> > We have a few active and trusted volunteers who can discuss and
> > resolve such issues.  But in rare occasions we think we should have
> > the rights to do "temporary blocks" within our local areas.
>
> Dear Maning,
>
> I wrote a post on talk-us@ that addressed some of the issues you
> mention.  It was posted in November 2013, and the link in the archives
> is
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-November/012171.html
>
> It seems that you are doing the right things.  You suggest in your
> email as I suggested in my post, and as others have elsewhere, that
> local mappers reach out to each other to discuss challenging behaviour
> and come to understanding and consensus where possible.  Where and
> when that effort falls short, reach out to the DWG for further
> assistance.
>
> Do follow up with d...@osmfoundation.org, if you haven't done so
> already.  From Serge's recent post, it seems that they aren't
> deliberately ignoring you.  :-)
>
> I suggest that you consider volunteering for the DWG, and have one or
> more of your trusted local mappers do the same.  it doesn't make sense
> to me, to have a Local DWG.  There is no Local Database, only the one
> global database.  Unnecessary duplication of effort by creating a
> second and subservient dwg seems a poor option compared to
> participating in an existing dwg.
>
> Volunteers acting in their role as DWG members will strive to do so
> while maintaining a careful balance in many ways.  One form of balance
> they must seek is to apply sufficient local knowledge, and
> understanding of local cultural and other contexts, but not to be so
> entwined in local context as to be inappropriately biased.  They must
> strive to seek solutions that consider the global and local context,
> each in appropriate measure, as Simon indicated in his post.
>
> best regards and happy mapping,
>
> Richard
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