[Talk-bd] [OpenStreetMap Community] OSMBD Community Town Hall Meeting

[Fazle Rabbi]

FYI, We are having OSMBD Community Town Hall Meeting.

more details here:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/osmbd-community-town-hall-meeting/9371

Fazle Rabbi

OSMBD
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[Talk-bd] Call for Support! Activation for Bangladesh Flood Response 2022

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FYI




*URGENT and IMPORTANT!!!As you already know, Just within a span of three
weeks, the northeastern part of #Bangladesh has been hit by seasonal
#floods again. Vast areas of Sunamganj, Sylhet, Netrokona, Kurigram, and
Lalmonirhat are underwater as bordering rivers have swelled due to heavy
rain upstream of Assam and Meghalaya. The met office has forecast more rain
in the coming days, which might worsen the flood situation in Sunamganj,
Sylhet, and Netrokona. The flood situation is deteriorating at a time when
people of the region are still reeling from the shock of the first round of
floods that happened just two to three weeks ago. The second round of
floods this year has made the situation more challenging to respond to.
Sunamganj has been completely disconnected from the rest of the country.
Road links to Sylhet also started to collapse after floodwater submerged
the roads. The education ministry postponed Secondary School certificates
and equivalent exams across the country that were scheduled to begin on
Sunday due to the floods. As the disaster management and relief ministry
began its work, the government deployed armed forces to speed up flood
rescue and relief efforts. Worsening floods in Sunamganj and Sylhet
districts have resulted in power outages, closure of many schools as they
have been turned into makeshift flood shelters, and vast areas being
inundated, with locals saying the flood is worse than the ones they
experienced in 1998 and 2004.*


*Following the grave situation, we from OpenStreetMap Bangladesh (#OSMBD)
community decided to push out urgent mapping tasks on the #hotosm tasking
manager platform under #BangladeshFloodResponse2022. We are activating
multiple tasking projects and more will be following periodically. We would
urge you all to put your mapping gears on and support the vulnerable
population in distress. We cannot assure direct aid from this, but surely
this will assist the ongoing & future aid and recovery works by the
different agencies. Let’s #MapTheDifference and #Map4Resilience.*









*Here is the list of projects waiting for your
response:https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/12820
https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/12822
https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/12823
https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/12825
https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/12826
https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/12827
** Meanwhile any agency that needs
mapping support over the osm platform is requested to reach out to Sawan
Shariar (sshariar1991 at gmail dot com)  Atikur Rahman (arahman.dcc2 at
gmail dot com) for communication. We are here to help with any mapping
initiatives relating to the flood responses on a pro-bono basis.*
source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/osmbd/posts/5308362082555826/
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[Talk-bd] OSMBD Fast-track Community Impact Nano-grant 2022

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FYI,

Are you part of a group from the mapping community in Bangladesh? Looking
for funding to expand your mapping activities? Do you have the project
ideas or research activities that incorporate open mapping, community
building, or capacity development? Then it’s an excellent opportunity for
you to come forward with your ideas to realize and have a kickstart. You
can apply for an OSMBD Fast-track Community Impact Nano-grant'2022!
Proposal Template- https://tinyurl.com/4wzrwncs (Download it, fill it out,
then submit with this form)
Proposal Submission Link- https://forms.gle/xGuSUYHgmTYivdWYA
Bangladesh Open Innovation Lab (BOIL) is launching the OSMBD Fast-track
Community Impact Nano-grant'2022 Program supported by Open Mapping Hub Asia
Pacific and Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT).
Each Nano-grant offers a support fund ranging from BDT 10k to 25k (based on
the merit of the proposal) for field work, mini-projects, training
workshops, and community engagement activities. Keep in mind that the
project timeline should be very short (10 days max) and must not exceed the
deadline of 30 June 2022.
For any query- ask.bh...@gmail.com

source:
https://www.facebook.com/BoiledBhoot/posts/pfbid02b8HPhTJbPPJPpwFf4EarkczKUBwYuzvfkuf9LpNquAFtKM6nHdc7BVadndwDfoYAl

Kind regards

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[Talk-bd] Earth Day 2022 Map-A-Thon: You Map, We Plant!

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FYI

For each 100 unique map features by remote tracing/ 20 unique PoI by
ground-truthing in Bangladesh added to the OSM platform, we will plant a
tree! So, the more you map, the healthier our earth will become.

This initiative only focused on the geographical region of Bangladesh for
mapping, but people from any part of the globe can contribute. The input
can either be through remote sensing or field mapping/ground-truthing.

Join Us and #MaketheMapGreenAgain!

Register Now: https://forms.gle/JTqzGMAJvcNVztk16

Make sure you have added hashtags #EarthDayBD22 and #BoilingGreen22 to
ensure your contribution is counted.

Event Details: https://fb.me/e/1HL5NmwLa

To learn how to contribute on OpenStreetMap:
https://learnosm.org/en/beginner/start-osm

This event is a part of the observance of “World Earth Day 2022” Bangladesh
Open Innovation Lab (BOIL) in association with the Humanitarian
OpenStreetMap Team (#HOTOSM), Open Mapping Hub Asia Pacific (#OMHAP),
#YouthMappers, and #OSMBD initiate a week-long Map-A-Thon. This is an
online crowd-sourced mapping event using the OpenStreetMap platform
focusing on the science of where blending with community-based
afforestation.

source: https://www.facebook.com/BoiledBhoot

Thank you!

Regards

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Re: [Talk-bd] Celebrating GISDAY2021 and osmgeoweek

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FYI

Hello everyone,

We are happy to inform you all that Bangladesh Geo Week Celebration 2021 is
about to begin. We are waiting for you all to join at Opener Solution
45 Probal Tower ( opposite of Suchana Community Center), Ring Road,
Shyamoli, Lift-6 (https://osm.org/go/5AFwU0qHo?m=).

If you are unable to join offline, you can join the event online at:
https://meet.jit.si/osmbd

Thank you, again!

———

অভিনন্দন,

আমরা অত্যন্ত আনন্দের সাথে জানাচ্ছি যে, অল্প কিছুক্ষনের মধ্যে Bangladesh Geo
Week Celebration 2021 শুরু হতে চলেছে। আমরা আপনাদের সকলের যোগদানের জন্য
ওপেনার সলিউশন,
45 প্রোবাল টাওয়ার (সুচনা কমিউনিটি সেন্টারের বিপরীতে), রিং রোড, শ্যামলী,
লিফট-6 (https://osm.org/go/5AFwU0qHo?m=) তে অপেক্ষা করছি।

আপনারা অফলাইনে যোগদান করতে না পারলে, অনলাইনে ইভেন্টে যোগ দিতে পারেন:
https://meet.jit.si/osmbd

সবাইকে আবারও ধন্যবাদ!

- Sajjad Hossen

source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/osmbd/posts/4652122764846431/

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:07 PM Fazle Rabbi  wrote:

> FYI
>
> Hello all,
> As you know, the #GISDay2021 program is knocking at the door! Those who
> have already registered for the wonderful program, hope to see you all at
> the program live and online.  Those who are interested to join the
> program, please register before it closes!
> Register here: https://tinyurl.com/a7af3w79
> #GISDay2021 #OSMBD #osmgeoweek #OpenStreetMap #Bangladesh #Map4resilience
> #tech4social #hotosm #MissingMaps
> Here is the location of the center where the event will take place.
> [Opener Solution
> 45 Probal Tower ( opposite of Suchana Community Center), Ring Road,
> Shyamoli, Lift-6]
> https://osm.org/go/5AFwU0qHo?m=
>
> - Sajjad Hossen
>
> source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/osmbd/posts/4646481505410557/
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 4:10 PM Atikur Rahman 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Map & GIS Lovers,
>> As in previous years, the OpenStreetMap Bangladesh
>> <https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/osmbd?__eep__=6&__gid__=152627941462625&__cft__[0]=AZVOb5OdfUMd58nI5o4lE9je--hWa0n_GPoWp9mwis-hxlwwQ9drCRHvkuteTkRJxby9tZhBodcgNfl0YsK6znlIO14NE3n5r47txixbUpLNg1FI8pKB_Ng7aAjGg_B0AWkA3QaGWSnmZERq-swOA6h6-pp7l0TfA4g_j0TeCJJ_nR9-N7FRIirPP2B98NY7RHE&__tn__=*NK-R>
>> Community is organizing an event on 20th November 2021 to celebrate the
>> occasion and create awareness on GIS for social development, while putting
>> vulnerable communities in the country on the map to improve community
>> resilience. The event will be a hybrid one with an *in-person* event
>> integrating *online participants*.
>> Join us along with global geographical communities, teachers, students,
>> community groups, and map lovers together to celebrate geography and make
>> maps using OpenStreetMap
>> <https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/openstreetmap?__eep__=6&__gid__=152627941462625&__cft__[0]=AZVOb5OdfUMd58nI5o4lE9je--hWa0n_GPoWp9mwis-hxlwwQ9drCRHvkuteTkRJxby9tZhBodcgNfl0YsK6znlIO14NE3n5r47txixbUpLNg1FI8pKB_Ng7aAjGg_B0AWkA3QaGWSnmZERq-swOA6h6-pp7l0TfA4g_j0TeCJJ_nR9-N7FRIirPP2B98NY7RHE&__tn__=*NK-R>,
>> the free and open editable map of the world.
>>
>> To register… https://tinyurl.com/a7af3w79
>> <https://tinyurl.com/a7af3w79?fbclid=IwAR2_xsdw-2nyxKvjHlcDsRjBvZtWQbu09Pd9rwlSlP8-lD6zS3261BoD_ek>
>>
>> *Atikur Rahman*
>>
>> OSM Bangladesh facilitating team
>>
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[Talk-bd] Fwd: OSM Community meeting for national project plan/involvement

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FYI

-- Forwarded message -
From: Paromita Basak 
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021, 16:41
Subject: OSM Community meeting for national project plan/involvement

Dear Everyone,

Greetings! Hope you are doing well. The OSM Bangladesh community
facilitating team is organizing a meeting to share plans about the next
community project in Bhola. This is going to be one of the major activities
of OSM in Bangladesh in the next couple of months involving communities all
around the nation. As you have been a very important part of the community
works so far, we want to have a meeting with you to know your suggestions
and interest in involvement in the project. Please find the details of the
meeting below.

Date: 04.11. 2021

Time: 6:00 - 7:00 PM(BDT)

Joining Link:

Video call link: https://meet.google.com/voq-brnw-nke

Or dial: ‪(US) +1 262-546-6387‬ PIN: ‪183 589 655‬#

Please let us know your availability as per your earliest convenience. We
would like to emphasize that this will be a very important OSM project in
Bangladesh which will be led by the Community for the Community. So, your
presence and involvement is very welcome and appreciated.

We look forward to seeing you in the meeting and knowing your suggestions.

Best regards,

Paromita Basak 

On behalf of OSMBD Community Facilitating Team
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Re: [Talk-bd] Discussion: Issues with name localization for Bangladesh

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are/site doesn't want to show local
language but english, they easily fallback to name:en.

At the past it was true. We see that some quick edits has been made to
recover this, like: changeset 76836045(osm.org/changeset/76836045). We do
really appreciate it. But we have discovered 2 new problems on those edits.

- Changeset comments are in Bengali. For example, 'সংশোধন' meaning 'Fixed'.
This is not OK even for me who can read Bengali. For me what is fixed? And
for someone who can't read Bengali? Well, he is lost. Please remember that
data is not just for the people of Bangladesh but also for all over the
work. Please use English both in changeset comments and changeset
discussions.

- This is not a problem in your edit but it still a problem caused by the
same notion that `name` tag should have Bengali value. The problem is
`name` tags are being translated using Google Translate from the previous
English value of the `name` tag. Which is bad. Really really Bad! For
example, Bus stop became 'বাস থামবে'. changeset 76681081(
osm.org/changeset/76681081) Photo Reference:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2RDMUz2PjQt655p78.


> Per OSM policy/general community guideline, We should use default/primary
"name" tag in Bangla, any other name language in their code e.g name:en for
English, name:it for Italian etc. That's should be our general guideline.
Yes, If for some reason someone cannot/don't do this, thats fine, no one
going to yell / block them. But in general, our broad nameing guideline
should be same as OSM general guideline, use default/primary "name" tag in
Bangla.

The OSM global policy is there to guide us which is not a decisive policy.
For each community, the members of the community discuses what should be
done keeping the guide as reference. What you wrote in this part is a
proposal which if you asked the community, we could have discussed to come
to can conclusion. But you already vandalized the data on your own make it
unusable for both user and aid agencies. So we are way past that.


Look this is not about you or edits made by you. Let's put all of this away
for now and see this issue as a whole as it has an effect on the whole
ecosystem then the tile images on the OSM site like data integrity,
usability and use case for end user. Where literally human lives are at
stake we should be a bit careful.


I would like other in the community to engage on this conversation and put
forward their opinion. Then we can decide on what to put on `name` tag.


Thank you!

Regards

Fazle Rabbi


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:32 AM Aftabuzzaman Ullah <
aftabuzzamanul...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello. Thanks for mail.
> I respectfully disagree that we should use default/primary "name" tag in
> English instead of Bangla. If i understand correctly, OSM policy/general
> community guideline is that default/primary "name" tag should be in
> whatever language is used locally (for Bangladesh it is Bangla). (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Localization
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names ) It is common
> practice and it is followed by most countries e.g Japan, China, Russia, all
> arabic, cyrillic speaking countries etc countries.
>
> We should use English because some software doesn't render Bangla
> correctly isn't acceptable reason. It's may be true but By now the majority
> of rendering systems/software can deal with unicode characters, supports
> Bangla characters. Just because some software/site doesn't support Bangla
> so we should use English, is like you have headache so cut the head like
> solution. Like you said openstreetmap-carto was unable to render Bangla but
> it was fixed now. Same thing can be done with others, if an app doesn't
> support Bangla, we need to submit bug report, reach out the developer for
> adding Bangla font. Thats will be correct solution. It is not true that in
> order to fix Bangla rendering problem, developer needs to learn Bangla.
> They will just need to specify/include a Bangla font. we should need to
> take necessary step to fix rendering problem in the apps/site that don't
> render Bangla correctly e.g. submiting bug report (for exemple, to fix HOT
> rendering problem we need to ask developer to add a Bangla font here
> https://github.com/hotosm/HDM-CartoCSS/tree/master/fonts . i can see they
> already added arabic, tamil, thai, lao etc font) I will be happy to help
> with this & others.
>
> It is also not true that English names were deleted altogether, i can see
> it just moved to "name:en" field (e.g "name = Road 1" became "name = সড়ক ১"
> & "name:en = Road 1"). If any software/site doesn't want to show local
> language but english, they easily fallback to name:en.
>
> Per OSM policy/general community guideline, We should use default/primary
> "name&q

[Talk-bd] Discussion: Issues with name localization for Bangladesh

[Fazle Rabbi]

Greetings, everyone,

I am Fazle Rabbi from OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Foundation (OSMBDF), the
representative of OpenStreetMap Bangladesh community. I'm also a member of
the core team of the community, commonly known as "BHOOT" to the global OSM
community.

For some time, there has been a lot of discussion and debates on how – or
rather, if – we should localize names for Bangladesh (Bengali). Recently,
we have seen a lot of changes from a few contributors who changed the
`name` tag from English (Roman) to Bengali. We agree with the policy that
names should be localized, but which tag we should use is up for
discussion. We, the community of Bangladesh, have been following a style
for more than 4 years now to map Bangladesh with English (Roman) for `name`
tag and Bengali for `name:bn` tag.

The community have come to this conclusion after many trials and errors and
thoughtful consideration that `name` tag should be had the name in English
(Roman). But we made a mistake. We did all the discussion internally as all
the initial contributors used to sit together in a small room. What we
should have done is discuss it in a more appropriate manner where anyone –
past, present, future contributors – would be able to raise their voices.
We would like to apologize for our mistake and take steps to fix that
problem by starting a discussion here to make a string tagging guideline
for Bangladesh.

The OSM community in Bangladesh is one of the strongest communities in the
world, and community members have gathered under the wing of OSMBDF, the
legally registered entity in Bangladesh, and waiting for the local chapter
recognition from OSMF. The members of our community are mainly connected
via a Facebook group. Though this mailing list was set up at a very initial
stage, it was not very active. Recently, on the State of the Map Asia 2019
held in Bangladesh, we decided to make the mailing list more active and the
core communication channel. We would like all of our community members to
engage in the mailing for this kind of discussions rather than using the
Facebook group.

The OSM community and, as a part of that larger community, we, the members
of OSM Bangladesh community, strongly believe that the main site at
openstreetmap.org is a geo-spatial data repository which is used by many
other apps, websites and service providers, but not as a map. I would like
to draw your attention to two sentences in the [About Page of
OpenStreetMap](https://www.openstreetmap.org/about):

- "OpenStreetMap powers map data on thousands of websites, mobile apps, and
hardware devices"
- "OpenStreetMap is built by a community of mappers that contribute and
maintain data about roads, trails, cafés, railway stations, and much more,
all over the world."

It is a data repository, not a map. The reasons we have agreed upon using
English name in `name` tag are:

- The rendering problem with Bengali makes a horrible UX experience. The
rendering style used by OSM main site is openstreetmap-carto that had a
problem with rendering Bengali. The problem is fixed recently which is a
great news. While it is convenient to use from a desktop or laptop at home,
unfortunately, it is impossible to use on the go. Most of the people use
mobile apps to navigate on the road, but the large array of the most-used
mobile applications like OsmAnd, Maps.Me, Magic Earth that still can't
render the Bengali characters make it unable to use for the users. The
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) made a map for disaster response that
is available in OSM main site as an additional layer, which also can't
render Bengali. And that makes it a challenge in times of disaster
response. Screenshot for reference:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zj9rwFsG76H3ZPReA

- Aid agencies like UN, MSF, Red Crescent have run many projects to map
large portions of the country and given those data to OSM, which makes them
big contributors and users of the OSM data. But this data becomes useless
if all `name` tags are replaced with Bengali. As per, it came to us, WFP
recently faced the issue while they tried out using the dataset in one of
their projects.

OSM is an open community where everything gets done by discussing, and we
have tried to follow that convention. When we noticed the `name` tag
problem, we requested the editor to change it by putting the Bengali value
in `name:bn` tag. We are very disheartened to see when they changed OSM
Wiki to justify theirs without community consent or even discussion, which
is not appreciated in an open community. Moreover, the English names were
deleted altogether, which is problematic, because there is no fall-back
policy for applications that can render `name:en` tags.


When we asked them about the rendering problem of the `name` tag in the
changeset comments, they replied that it is not their concern and the
developer of those apps should be asked to fix it. A very valid point! But
a large number of users are foreign people, so w

Re: [Talk-bd] [Talk-asia] Updates on SoTM Asia 2019 preparation

[Fazle Rabbi]

Hi,

The first draft of the website was pushed to GitHub repository and waiting
to be reviewed and merged. A live preview of the site can be found in the
forked repository of user nr072. If the site could was deployed live we
could proceed with the call for proposal and scholarship. The social media
activation would get some boost with the published website as well.

Thanks

Fazle Rabbi
Bangladesh Open Innovation Lab

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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:09 AM Jinal Foflia  wrote:

> Hello Tasauf and team,
>
> Was wondering if there were any updates from the conference? Let us know
> if we can be of any help on this front. Looking forward to the conference.
>
> Cheers,
> Jinal Foflia
>
> On Tue, 21 May, 2019, 3:14 PM Jinal Foflia,  wrote:
>
>> Hello Tasauf and team,
>>
>> Thank you for the updates. Really excited for the conference this year.
>> Have already shared the comms and social media credentials with you. Let me
>> know if I can be of any help while you are getting started on it. It'll be
>> awesome to see a tweet/blog post sharing the tentative dates of the
>> conference as there are so many who are interested in attending the
>> conference and have to plan ahead if they are not dependent on the
>> scholarships.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jinal Foflia
>> [image: Twitter] <https://twitter.com/fofliajinal>  [image: LinkedIn]
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jinalfoflia/>  [image: Github]
>> <https://github.com/jinalfoflia>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 3:19 PM Nama Budhathoki 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tasauf and All,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>
>>> Two quick questions I suggest that we begin to work as early as possible:
>>>
>>> 1. How can we identify and bring people who are doing great work in Asia
>>> in order to listen their stories? This will help to enhance the quality of
>>> the conference.
>>>
>>> 2. Many of those people do not have funding to attend the conference.
>>> This brings us to another question: How can we raise funding? Do you have
>>> estimates?
>>>
>>> I suggest that we begin regular meeting from June. It is important to
>>> engage others and stimulate them so that they begin to bring
>>> ideas/suggestions for making it an exemplary conference.
>>>
>>> Best, Nama
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:55 AM Erwin Olario  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's lovely to hear from you, and your community, Tasauf - and thank
>>>> you for all the hard work you've been doing.  For sure, everyone is looking
>>>> forward to hear the final details about sotmAsia 2019.
>>>>
>>>> /erwin
>>>>
>>>> *Erwin Olario*
>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>> » email: erwin@ *n**gnu**it**y**.xyz*
>>>> <http://ngnuity.net/> | gov...@gmail.com
>>>> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin
>>>> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93
>>>> D56B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:01 PM Tasauf A Baki Billah <
>>>> tasauf1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you are having some great times with all the activities going
>>>>> through both global & regional OSM communities.
>>>>>
>>>>> We do know you all are super excited for the upcoming SotM Asia 2019
>>>>> event in Dhaka by OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Community focusing the upcoming
>>>>> SotM Asia 2019 at Dhaka. Though being bit late in communication from our
>>>>> side we promise you an exciting event coming up. Sharing a bit update on
>>>>> our preparations & plans finalized from our side till now:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1.
>>>>>
>>>>>Date: We are aiming on having the event on 1st & 2nd November 2019.
>>>>>2.
>>>>>
>>>>>Venue: We are already in contact with couple more possible venues
>>>>>other than the proposed one (Dhaka College), considering the traffic
>>>>>condition, more easier accessibility & more government lev