[OSM-talk] Disputed border between Greece and Turkey near Imia/Kardak in the Aegean Sea (was: Re: [Geocoding] Boundries of Kardak Islands)

[Florian Schäfer]

Dear İlhami Özer,

These borders are disputed and the island is claimed by both Greece and
Turkey.

There was a recent incident near the island in January: "A Turkish navy
missile boat accompanied with two special-forces speedboats entered the
area around the islets on 29 January 2017. According to the statement
issued by the Defence Ministry of Greece, they were blocked and warned
by Greek coast guard vessels and withdrew from the area after about
seven minutes. The Turkish armed forces denied that the ships were
blocked but did not otherwise deny the incident; they stated that the
mission was a part of an inspection of the Aksaz Naval Base by chief of
General Staff Hulusi Akar, who was on board at the time." (Source:
Wikipedia article about the island
)

You (I assume it's you, because of the similarity of your username
 and your real name and the
proximity of time to your e-mail to the list) now changed the borders to
reflect your point of view in this changeset yesterday:
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/47194531 .

I'm not an expert on borders and how disputed borders are handled in
OSM, so I forward this to the talk-list, because this probably needs
more discussion.

Regards,
Florian

Am 27.03.2017 um 10:36 schrieb ilhami özer:
> Dear Openstreetmap valuable workers,
>
> This situation is really important for us. The two islands are within
> bounderies of Turkey Republic. As you can see on the image which we
> sent attachment these two islands out of boundries of Turkey on your
> tile images. We did necessary changes on feature parts. Please can you
> make these changes on your basemap.
>
> Kindly request.
>
> -- 
> İlhami ÖZER 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Disputed border between Greece and Turkey near Imia/Kardak in the Aegean Sea

[Florian Schäfer]

Am 31.03.2017 um 07:09 schrieb Marc Gemis:
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 6:39 AM, David Marchal  > wrote:
> >/If I correctly remember, in such cases, both point of views should be
> used; />/in this case, two boundary segments should be dragged: one including 
> the />/islets with Greece, and the other one including them with Turkey. /
> The rule is that border in OSM is where you have to show your passport
> to the customs. Or where the barbed wire stands, or  whatever on the
> ground fact indicates the presence of a border. The French-Italian
> border which overlaps on the Mont-Blanc is not the preferred way
> AFAIK.
>
> m.

Probably neither of your criteria fits for this case. These two islands
are uninhabited according to Wikipedia (by the way, they are together
only 4 ha in size, the same size as a 200 meter × 200 meter square), so
there won't be customs on there. And I doubt that there is barbed wire
on there either, because in either case the border would run through the
sea around the island on one side or the other.

/Florian


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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Florian Schäfer]

Hi,
my suggestion would be WOQ (pronounced like "Wok"), which would be short
for "Wikidata-OSM-Queryservice". Or WOQs, if you don't want to only use
one letter for "query" and "service".
The soundalike word "Wok" could also in my opinion be a good metaphor,
you can put Wikidata and OSM data "into a Wok" and "cook" something new
out of it. Maybe the logo could then be a Wok containing map elements
like highways, rivers, forests and so on and also something representing
Wikidata (like the colourful barcode).

Cheers,
Florian

Am 16.09.2017 um 23:11 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
> important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
> * wikosm
> * wikidosm
>
> Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
> databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
> good to reflect that in the name.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>
> P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...



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