Re: [OSM-talk] Policy in mapping military installations
On 24-08-2012 00:11, Michael Kugelmann wrote: 1. Don't break local law - this may include mapping military installations But local law should not be valid if you are in another country. Then it's not local :) -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Policy in mapping military installations
On 23-08-2012 21:34, Toby Murray wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: I found a completely erased military base in Israel, that is uncensored on Bing and Google, and two instances in OSM [...] They seem to have been deleted in this changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11876140 Have you tried sending the user a message asking why it was deleted? Toby He makes his thoughts quite clear in his diary: <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wikipod/diary> This subject was previously discussed in the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=3820 My personal opinion aligns well with that thread: 1. Don't break local law - this may include mapping military installations 2. Don't delete things that are already mapped in OSM 3. Don't get shot -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] new bing hires updates not visible in JOSM?
On 13-06-2012 02:39, maning sambale wrote:> As the subject says, we spotted new imagery from Bing. Potlatch2 can > load the imagery, but JOSM still shows the lowres Landsat image of the > same area. Remove bing.attribution.xml from the cache dir: %APPDATA%\JOSM\cache\bing.attribution.xml on Windows ~/.josm/cache/bing.attribution.xml on Linux This appears to be a JOSM bug, as the attribution file/config should not be cached. https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/7778 -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] No attribution on osm.org?
On 09-03-2012 11:23, Tom Hughes wrote: On 09/03/12 10:17, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: I just noticed that there no longer is proper attribution on a small website you might have heard of: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ Isn't this sending out the wrong message? The fact that the site is called www.OPENSTREETMAP.org is the attribution. I agree with this. Attribution isn't terribly important here. However, I can not see anywhere on openstreetmap.org that the map is under a free license, which I think is way more important. Yes, it's called OpenStreetMap, but a lot of projects are deceptively named to give the impression of openness while they're anything but. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] License compatibility clarification
Is the CT/ODbL compatible with CC-BY-SA? Say if an organization releases some data under CC-BY-SA, could we use it (in the CT/ODbL future)? For extra credit, explain why/why not. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck
On 18-08-2010 19:22, John Smith wrote: On 19 August 2010 02:45, Toby Murray wrote: Nope. Someone must have done /dirty on it after I sent the email. Caching issues wouldn't explain why the /status for the tiles claimed they were "due to be rendered" - plus this was on two different computers, 6 hours apart. I mentioned an issue with mod_tile no longer expiring tiles a few weeks ago, but no one else confirmed there was a problem so I didn't bother to file a bug about it. I've had the same suspicion. I've asked around on IRC without response and had come to the conclusion that I must be going mad, because surely such a thing would be noticed instantly. Maybe not? I've several times uploaded changes and not seen them online until many hours later (with vigorous reloading, different browsers etc). -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Marina discussion transcript (Was: Mapnik rendering of Marinas changed)
(reply from off-list) On 19-04-2010 21:18, Dave F. wrote: > > Thanks for posting that. > > I've no idea where they got the idea that the tag is for landuse. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Marina http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Harbour#Harbour_as_an_area > > Clues on that page: > Mooring place - you moor on water. > A place for your boat. > add number of ships > Water features. > > I think those on IRC have made a mistake & have indirectly changed the > usage of Marina Why? The tag can still be used just as before. It can *also* be used to tag land areas, or areas covering both land and sea. I really don't see the issue here. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of Marinas changed
On 17-04-2010 14:38, Patrick Kilian wrote: > Hi all, >> Count me as a complainer... I was wondering about that blue dashed line >> too - it does not fit well with the surrounding estuary and open sea. >> >> I'm in the process of mapping a marina and I spontaneously only tagged >> as a leisure=marina the water portion that is occupied by the harbour. > Open a trac ticket for mapnik then. Neither Steve nor the others in that > discussion had a strong opinion. Note that I didn't take part in that > discussion but merely witnessed it. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1681 contains a few back and forths, but as Patrick says, there was also some discussion on IRC (I wouldn't call it discussion, since there wasn't any disagreement, and a lot of indifference). The way I read the wiki at the time (from various pages), leisure=marina was for the land belonging to the marina. Seeing it rendered as sea sparked my initial interest in this. No matter which is "correct", the previous method of rendering leisure=marina as sea does not make much sense, since it effectively means not rendering it at all. Rendering it as a border means you can use it for either the land, sea or both, and have it rendered in a useful fashion. Seems ideal to me. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide
Russ Nelson wrote: > Frederik Ramm writes: > > Not at all. Russ has called for dictatorial leadership which the > > project should follow even if there were absolutely nonsensical > > decisions. > > WHOA!! I never said that. You did in fact say that: > This is just wrong. If SteveC says that "mountain=green" means that > first there is a mountain, and that "mountain=blue" means there is no > mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way. That didn't seem in the spirit of the rest of your post though, so I suspect you just didn't quite think that sentence through? -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] geolocation with GPS in iPhone Safari ???
Shaun McDonald wrote: > On 27 Sep 2009, at 20:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> 2009/9/26 bernhard : >>> Can somebody confirm that iPhone Safari has no access to GPS? >> >> did you try to contact Microsoft support? > > Why would Microsoft support be able to help? Why would osm-talk? -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?
John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/24 Someoneelse : > >> I think that it's easy to get too prescriptive... > > I'm not suggesting anyone do any of that, I'm pointing out how silly > it is to say gps is more precise than saying survey. source=GPS is a more precise description of the source than source=survey. What you chose to do with that information is up to you, but I don't see why making the distinction is harmful? -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nokia N97
Jonas Häggqvist wrote: > * WhereAmI+[1] - It's been a bit crash-happy for me, but has features such > as POI marking and photos. Also saves more complete GPX files. > > For viewing maps, I think you're limited to WhereAmI+, which however is > particularly crash-happy (for me) when downloading maps. Uses vector data. > > [1] <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WhereAmI> I just realised I've not been using the latest version of WhereAmI - what I said might well not apply anymore. Kindly ignore those parts of my previous post. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nokia N97
Steve Chilton wrote: > Friend is thinking of getting Nokia N97 > Can it save GPS tracks for OSM uploading? > Can you use OSM maps on it in any way? > No info on N97 on OSM wiki. You can use all the Java options available for other phones, which has options for both saving tracks and viewing maps, I believe. In addition to this, you can use programs written for the Symbian 60 OS. For saving tracks you have a few options: * Nokia Sports Tracker[2] - Saves to an internal format, but can export to GPX. * WhereAmI+[1] - It's been a bit crash-happy for me, but has features such as POI marking and photos. Also saves more complete GPX files. For viewing maps, I think you're limited to WhereAmI+, which however is particularly crash-happy (for me) when downloading maps. Uses vector data. [1] <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WhereAmI> [2] <http://sportstracker.nokia.com/> -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the Multilingual Country-List
Peter Körner wrote: > Those translations will later be used for > localized maps on wikipedia (see [3] for an old preview with many > missing translations). > > [3] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/ The Danish map[1] is simply a blank map at all zoom levels. What gives? [1] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/browse-da.html -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
Mike Harris wrote: > UK - usually black on white. Denmark - New signs White on Blue. Old signs red on white. At least in these parts. I don't know if there's regulation in the area. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cyclelane on left/right
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: > I know Jonas has some examples on how nice it looks when you use the > cycleway=track on an osmarendered map (mapnik doesn't use the tag). Perhaps > you can post those as an illustration, Jonas? For example here: http://osm.org/go/0H8UF1OW?layers=0B00FTF I do somewhat understand the idea that you want to map everything completely accurately, and hence want to map the cycleway as a separete way, but the resulting is appalling at anything but z18 or above. Not to mention the routing problems. Ie. on this map: http://osm.org/go/0h8u...@b-?layers=0b00ftf you can easily go from the cycleway on the right to any of the evenly numbered houses on the left, but routing would lead you to the nearest intersection to do a 3-point-turn and wait for up to 3 red lights in the same intersection. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Peter Körner wrote: > Marc Schütz schrieb: > >> [Should name:xx equal to name tags stay or not?] > > In my eyes the rule should be: "If it has a name in language xxx *that > differs from it's native name*, then add a name:xxx tag" That seemed sensible to me also, but now that I think about it, there's a significant advantage gained by having the "redundant" name:xx tags. The fact that such a tag exists, gives you the confidence to say "someone has thought about this, and this positively is the translation". Rather than "either this is the same in language xx, or no one has bothered to translate". I imagine this difference is important in some cases. For example in the Wikipedia case, the presence of a name:xx tag means you can be reasonably certain this is the correct name. In some ways, it does feel wrong though, to have all those tags without any useful information, but consider that it does have the information that someone thought about it and added the tag. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cyclelane on left/right
Norbert Hoffmann wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> 2009/8/14 Konrad Skeri : >>> Are there any progress on the left/right situation on cycleway=lane/track >>> that >>> are only on one side of the street? >> yes, there is a solution for cycleway=track. Map it separately and tag >> highway=cycleway. track can be considered "deprecated" ;-) > > But don't forget to connect the cycleway to the road wherever it is > possible to change from one to the other. Which it is at literally every single point in space along most Danish cycleways. This seems like a poor plan. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Peter Körner wrote: > Hello OSM folks > > For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized > maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, > that a lot of countries are not translated yet. If you need help translating country names for your language and Wikipedia doesn't have the information, Debian maintains a set of translations for the countries in ISO 3166[1] which might be useful. The source [2] can be downloaded. Unpack it (using either standard UNIX tools, or something like 7-zip[3] if you're on Windows) and look inside the iso3166 directory and open the file "xx.po" in a text editor, where xx is the two-letter language code for your language. [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166> [2] <http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iso-codes/iso-codes_3.10.2.orig.tar.gz> [3] <http://www.7-zip.org/> -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Peter Körner wrote: > To get an overview over the status and make translating those countries > more easy, I created a tool that can be found at > >http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/ Useful. Will the page invalidate translations if the "base" name is changed? -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mount Obama mapped
Steve Chilton wrote: > Antigua and Barbuda today renames Boggy Peak to Mount Obama > http://snurl.com/onw6v > So the OSM map shows it on change day http://snurl.com/onw8t That link appears to be wrong - http://osm.org/go/Y2AFWDF > Easy comparison target: Google has Boggy Peak (as was) in wrong place > http://snurl.com/onw8t This also doesn't seem to show what you wanted http://snurl.com/oo77r > And don't get me started on Yahoo maps http://snurl.com/onws5 Neither does this, http://snurl.com/oo79e Now it'll be embarrassing if I also messed up. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
Matthias Versen wrote: > Jonas Häggqvist wrote: >>> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=56.0366&lon=12.514 >> Okay, it no longer breaks - it just doesn't list the point as being in >> Helsingør (rel#184034). > > I fixed a "bug" in your relation, 2 not connected relation-members with > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1999106 > > I hope that it will fix the issue. It did - thanks a lot. Out of curiousity, how did you figure out where the error was? -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
Jonas Häggqvist wrote: > However, it seems not to work as expected - in fact it breaks the service > quite horrifically: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=56.0366&lon=12.514 Okay, it no longer breaks - it just doesn't list the point as being in Helsingør (rel#184034). -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
OJ W wrote: > I put a wrapper around the rather excellent > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can > tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.05 > > - which replies that the specified numbers are in Tower Hamlets and > London and the UK Something's not quite right here in Denmark. There should be a admin_level=7 boundary in Helsingør: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/184034 However, it seems not to work as expected - in fact it breaks the service quite horrifically: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=56.0366&lon=12.514 What's going wrong here? -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
