[Talk-GB] Durham City Congestion Charge

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Everyone,
Our team was modelling the London congestion charge zone as identified by 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_Congestion_Charge and specifically 
this 
relation.
   We were wondering if there has been any attempt to edit the Durham 
congestion zone. We can't find any definitive maps of the zone online so can't 
reliably determine what the extent of the zone might be. Does anybody on this 
list know?

Thanks,
-Jubal
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[Talk-GB] un-named roads in UK

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Everyone,



Our Open Maps team (https://github.com/microsoft/open-maps) has been taking a 
closer look at OSM in the UK.  Some of you may have seen my session in Milan 
where we talked about Microsoft’s ongoing OSM work in Australia.



We found a few examples of roads missing names that we could use some local 
help with. There does not appear to be an official name for the examples below 
and we’re trying to figure out if they came from a local source, ground survey 
or something else entirely.


Road Name

OSM

Google

Bing

Coach road estate

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/67494787

https://goo.gl/maps/PQXATz4iNMQ2

https://binged.it/2o1mF1v

Rosneath Castle Caravan Park

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/92291906

https://goo.gl/maps/5zn1EEXwYER2

https://binged.it/2BCrYOr

Merville Garden Village

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/139461452

https://goo.gl/maps/YdH5HCvhTqK2

https://binged.it/2BCq9Rx

Stadium Mews

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/260127900

https://goo.gl/maps/JJNxamCgLy12

https://binged.it/2C0LAw1




These are not major roads but they are associated with a large number of 
residential addresses so any help understanding the source of the road names 
would be helpful.



Thank You

-Jubal

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jharpster

https://github.com/jharpster


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Re: [Talk-us] US building footprint data

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi jmb,
We don't know what new uses for the data people will come up with but we're 
excited to watch it develop. I would imagine in the next couple of days 
somebody will run it all through Tippecanoe...

Can't comment on other countries right now, but we're ambitious. As the imagery 
and models improve we may have subsequent releases.

-Jubal

From: Jmapb 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:25 PM
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] US building footprint data


Thanks Jubal, this looks like fantastic no-nonsense work. Seems like it might 
be wise to wait until after the Milan conference to see if a recommended 
workflow will emerge to begin putting these footprints to use.

Any plans to publish data for other countries? How about quarterly diffs?

jmb

On 6/28/2018 12:37 PM, Jubal Harpster wrote:
Hi Everyone,

Today Microsoft released ~125M computer generated building footprints. You can 
read about the release on the Bing Maps Blog 
(https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/microsoft-releases-125-million-building-footprints-in-the-us-as-open-data<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblogs.bing.com%2Fmaps%2F2018-06%2Fmicrosoft-releases-125-million-building-footprints-in-the-us-as-open-data=02%7C01%7Cjubalh%40microsoft.com%7Cbd3642ab1d1b408bd5e708d5dd429d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636658200588623901=upJIm2xqp4FO8tujCXlt%2BUlk5Ebs75BA1aaJMerHRNI%3D=0>)

There is additional technical detail on the creation process and links to 
directly download the data in geojson format in the public git repo here 
(https://github.com/Microsoft/USBuildingFootprints<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FMicrosoft%2FUSBuildingFootprints=02%7C01%7Cjubalh%40microsoft.com%7Cbd3642ab1d1b408bd5e708d5dd429d4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636658200588633914=cCJ%2BnGCQJweZ0eplPuOmJbypaAT893kCYzcWJMURbWc%3D=0>)

Enjoy.
-Jubal




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[Talk-us] US building footprint data

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Everyone,

Today Microsoft released ~125M computer generated building footprints. You can 
read about the release on the Bing Maps Blog 
(https://blogs.bing.com/maps/2018-06/microsoft-releases-125-million-building-footprints-in-the-us-as-open-data)

There is additional technical detail on the creation process and links to 
directly download the data in geojson format in the public git repo here 
(https://github.com/Microsoft/USBuildingFootprints)

Enjoy.
-Jubal
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Re: [talk-au] Open Mapping team at Microsoft Australian edits

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Guys,

Sorry for the communication breakdown here, we're still evolving our processes. 
This particular person has been out of the office for over a week which is why 
they haven't responded to the changeset comment. I am the OSM lead at 
Microsoft, feel free to reach out to me personally with any concerns or you can 
reach the whole team using openm...@microsoft.com. 

-Jubal

-Original Message-
From: Andy Townsend  
Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 2:00 AM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Open Mapping team at Microsoft Australian edits


On 05/05/18 04:10, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.o
> penstreetmap.org%2Fchangeset%2F58382600=02%7C01%7Cjubalh%40micros
> oft.com%7Cea5d0242814843dcae6208d5b266a87e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd
> 011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636611076356212980=MvQwVszimKwLlvC0dwK8w%2Bz49
> AY3btgid8P1lleAUe4%3D=0
>
> This user, which on his user page says "I am proud to be in Microsoft Open 
> Maps team." Has been making a lot of "Fixed geometry" changesets.
>
> ...
> I made a changeset comment to which I didn't get a reply, so I send a direct 
> message to the user on 29th April to which I also didn't get a replay.

They haven't done anything in OSM in the last 8 days; maybe they saw your 
messages, forgot about them, and then went on holiday?  Or it might just be 
that their email isn't getting delivered*.  If they come back to OSM and don't 
reply then drop the DWG an email and we'll be able to let them know that people 
are trying to get in contact.  The "I've seen a problem; what should I do?" bit 
of
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osmfoundation.org%2Fwiki%2FData_Working_Group=02%7C01%7Cjubalh%40microsoft.com%7Cea5d0242814843dcae6208d5b266a87e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636611076356212980=OU82dAw7eV%2BZA70j4c4dXMywjmVfpUcBsif8oghMfCA%3D=0
 should help.

Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)

* insert your own outlook/hotmail joke here

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] US Sports Fields Import

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Jason,

I mentioned this in your repo but thought I would also mention it to this list. 
The Microsoft legal team reviewed this particular scenario and determined that 
it is consistent with the current terms of the imagery as it relates to 
contributing to OSM.  You're welcome to use the Bing imagery as an input to 
this process.

Regards,
-Jubal 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jharpster


-Original Message-
From: Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 7:22 PM
To: Rory McCann 
Cc: Imports OpenStreetMap.org ; 
talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap 
Subject: Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] US Sports Fields Import

Hello,

Before I started this project in November I contacted the Bing licensing group, 
described my intentions, and asked for a developer key. They responded by 
giving me instructions on how to get a developer key.

I imagine they don't get many requests like this and it turns out they didn't 
understand what I was asking them. Today I was contacted by Microsoft with the 
news that they are not sure if the upstream licenses they have with the 
satellite image vendors allows them to grant OSM permission to do this kind of 
project.

The good news is that they indicated that they are going to try to grant 
permission for this use case for OSM. The issue has been escalated into the 
legal team at MS.

I am sure Microsoft will communicate with us when they decide what to do, until 
then we have to wait.

Jason

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is very interesting! And it's great to see some source code. I'd 
> be tempted to try this myself on things I'm interested in.
>
> You mentioned that Microsoft has given permission for this, is that 
> just for your one specific thing, or can any OSMer run this on their area?
> Can you post the documentation with the permission?
>
> Since you're importing the resultant file into OSM, this isn't really 
> relevant, but you say "The two final output files are in the public 
> domain.". Surely these output files are basically derived from 
> existing OSM data, and would be under the ODbL?
>
> I haven't looked at your data, or tried to run the code myself, but 
> I'd like to do it sometime.
>
> Rory
>
> On 30/12/17 20:51, Jason Remillard wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have trained a neural network to find baseball, basketball, and 
>> baseball fields in satellite images. It was trained using OSM and 
>> bing tiles. Using the neural network I have mapped 2,800 new fields 
>> in the US northeast, I would like to import the missing fields back into OSM.
>>
>> Wiki project page :
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki
>> .openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FUS_Sports_Fields_Import_2018=02%7C01
>> %7Cjubalh%40microsoft.com%7C376ab405aa48495df45708d552595531%7C72f988
>> bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636505465998805392=Z3e%2F7
>> g1acUuWldXlhjwvVxQu2h%2FxthzMM1OpSasPBkc%3D=0
>> Github: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
>> ub.com%2Fjremillard%2Fimages-to-osm=02%7C01%7Cjubalh%40microsoft
>> .com%7C376ab405aa48495df45708d552595531%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd01
>> 1db47%7C1%7C0%7C636505465998805392=%2BWtB2k7S97MZwro3Taqaw744ew
>> 31UUcQXpHqxDr4mwI%3D=0
>>
>> Details
>>
>> In November of 2017 all of the mapped baseball, basketball, and 
>> tennis courts in Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, 
>> and Pennsylvania were used to train a neural network.
>>
>> The import data was created by
>>
>> Running the neural network over the training Bing satellite images to 
>> identify the missing sports fields from OSM. Fields found by the 
>> network but not in OSM are passed to the next step.
>>
>> A visual QA script shows the newly mapped features over the Bing 
>> satellite images, the user approves or rejects the edits. I rejected 
>> any way that wasn't an excellent match to the satellite images.
>>
>> The final OSM files are created from the ways selected by myself in 
>> the visual QA script.
>>
>> The ways are tagged with leisure=pitch, plus the sport=* tag.
>>
>> The changeset tags will be comment="Imported data, phase 1, 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki
>> .openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FUS_Sports_Fields_Import_2018=02%7C01
>> %7Cjubalh%40microsoft.com%7C376ab405aa48495df45708d552595531%7C72f988
>> bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636505465998805392=Z3e%2F7
>> g1acUuWldXlhjwvVxQu2h%2FxthzMM1OpSasPBkc%3D=0", and 
>> source="Bing", import=yes
>>
>> The jremillard-import account will be used to upload the 2 osm files.
>> The OSM files are already split to be under the 10,000 item limit on 
>> a changeset. They will be uploaded with josm.
>>
>> Prior to starting the project I emailed Microsoft bing licensing 
>> group describing the project and received approval to use the Bing 

Re: [talk-au] Mapbox 'improving the coastline' using bing

[Jubal Harpster]

HI Warin,

Actually that edit was made by one of the members of the Microsoft team, not 
Mapbox.   We're a bit behind in publishing our tasks so I just updated the repo 
here (https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps/issues/9)

You're absolutely correct that determining what is the Mean high water mark can 
be difficult so we're considering multiple imagery sources for this.  In many 
cases the coastlines are obviously over simplified, those are easy. In other 
cases it can be very tricky to tell what the best representation is so we'll 
leave those alone. 

We welcome your input to our process on our public repo.  We've included a long 
list of Ways that we think could use some attention.

-Jubal
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jharpster
MS Open Maps Team  

-Original Message-
From: Warin [mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:42 PM
To: talk-au 
Subject: [talk-au] Mapbox 'improving the coastline' using bing

Hi,

Way: 159023062 with tags "attribution"="Based on Australian Bureau of 
Statistics data", "natural"="coastline", "source"="ABS_2006 & AGRI"


Is being altered by mapbox mappers using bing imagery. This is causing 
other entries - such as beaches - to be changed too.

There are also things like 'improving piers' too .. but back to this 
coastline stuff ..


My questions are;

Is imagery better than ABS data ? hi tide low tide .. anywhere the 
imagery shows it?

The source and attribution would be wrong ..


Thoughts.. ?


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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Andy,
Thanks for the suggestion. Especially for the lakes, adding the wikidata ID for 
the feature would be useful. I'll talk to the team about modifying the workflow 
to add the wikidata ID provided we can correctly identify the right lake.

Regards,
-Jubal

-Original Message-
From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 10:57 AM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

On 21 December 2017 at 23:54, Jubal Harpster <jub...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Microsoft have convened a small Open-Maps team that is starting to 
> work on the OSM data in Australia.

Hi Juba,

That sounds great. Have you considered adding Wikidata IDs as part of your work?

For example, many of the water bodies you're working on will exist in Wikidata; 
and you can create items there for those that do not.

Documentation starts here:

   
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FWikidata=02%7C01%7Cjubalh%40microsoft.com%7C8b566e385bea4edcef6d08d5496dfdca%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636495659117910334=wlCvS5g9xCz2hrwXQEfIVQ4xs7SE0fs392%2FScRxoX5w%3D=0

and I'm happy to advise if needed.

--
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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi Alex,

You’re correct, we are mostly based in Seattle with one person currently based 
in Belgrade. And fair question on the armchair mapping from the other side of 
the world.  We picked Australia for a number of reasons 1) Important geography 
for Microsoft, 2) active OSM community, 3) Open-Data friendly government 
policies, 4) common language, 5) warm and sunny beaches.

Without going to much in to our longer term plans, Microsoft has been investing 
in OSM for a while from imagery, to sponsoring events, and open sourcing data.  
Given the level of interest and the growth of the project as a whole, now seems 
like a good time to accelerate the effort.

-Jubal


From: Alex Sims [mailto:a...@softgrow.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:06 PM
To: Jubal Harpster <jub...@microsoft.com>
Cc: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

Hi,

It looks as though you are all based in Seattle, rather than Australia, is that 
right?

The big question for me is why are you armchair mapping Australia from the US.

How can you be sure that your edits are correct and what is Microsoft’s secret 
plan for Australia :) ?

Alex


On 22 Dec 2017, at 10:24 am, Jubal Harpster 
<jub...@microsoft.com<mailto:jub...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
You may have noticed some Microsoft folks present on the mailings lists and 
Australian Slack channels in the past few months.  Microsoft have convened a 
small Open-Maps team that is starting to work on the OSM data in Australia. Our 
team is not importing data, using algorithms or robot edits to improve the map, 
we are using iD & JOSM to make improvements.

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[talk-au] NTLIS WMS

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi All,

I was reading the e-mail back and forth with Geoscience Australia 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/Geoscience_Australia) on the 
use its data alongside OpenStreetMap. The final message in the thread implies 
that the CC-BY waiver given for the 250:00 dataset applies to all data released 
by Geoscience Australia under CC-BY, without having to grant a specific waiver 
for reach one.  This would cover the NTLIS WMS service 
(http://wms1.ntlis.nt.gov.au/ilismap?version=1.3.0=GetCapabilities=WMS).
Am I interpreting this correctly?  Or has anyone received a difference response 
from ga.gov.au?

Thanks,
-Jubal
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[talk-au] NTLIS data licensing

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi All,

We we're wondering if anyone has approached the Northern Territories LIS 
department and checked about compatibility with OSM. Their web services 
(https://transport.nt.gov.au/lands-and-planning/northern-territory-land-information-systems-ntlis/about-ntlis)
  would be a great source for corroborating information if available. I don't 
see them listed anywhere in the contributors page on wiki, has anyone 
approached them?

Thanks,
-Jubal
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[talk-au] Victorian Government Data

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi All,

Reading through the list of contributors on the 
wiki
 we noticed that all the States with the exception of Victoria have given 
explicit permission to mix their CC-BY data with OSM. Does anyone know if this 
is just an oversight on the wiki or has Victoria either not been approached or 
denied a request to share data with OSM?

Thanks,
Jubal
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[talk-au] AU Data licensing

[Jubal Harpster]

Hi List,

I’ve been lurking on the list for a while trying to get a better understanding 
of which government datasets have been made available to OSM by explicit 
permission and which ones have not. Is the contributor page 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia) the best place to 
look for the latest information on this?

Thanks,  -Jubal
Bing Maps
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jharpster

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