Re: [OSM-talk] Still need for spam protection and if yes, what about OSM-based CATPCHA?

[Kev js1982]

Captcha's are pure evil, I can never work the swines out and usually need
to get someone to help, or more usually I just abandon what I was doing :-(

One thing I've seen elsewhere which might be a half-suitable compromise is
to only prompt when a url is included, most genuine users won't then be
effected, and you can white list certain sites, e.g. osm related ones , to
be even less annoying.
On May 5, 2013 4:02 PM, "Stefan Keller"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think, there is still a need to protect e.g. comments and account
> registrations against spam and it seems that CAPTCHAs are still the
> best technology to do this.
>
> AFAIK OSM Wiki uses the original reCAPTCHA (which helps Google to
> translate books or decode house numbers!). OSM help, the forum and the
> User's Diaries (including help) currently require a regular account.
>
> I found e.g. his discussion [1] which seems to be never implemented.
> If somebody knows more pls. reply.
>
> Now, I got an idea of (yet) another re-CAPTCHA which is somehow more
> user friendly and builds on keepright data.
>
> Question:
> 1. Do you also think there still is a need for CAPTCHAs?
> 2. If yes, do you know of any volunteering OSM related
> webapplications, which would be willing to replace (re-)CAPTCHAs with
> a service which helps OSM?
>
> Yours, Stefan
>
> [1] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=16021
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is there a world render with country/city labels in English?

[Kev js1982]

I wonder how much of that is down to us seaming needing to change every
cities name when in English but foreigners being happy using the English
spelling (especially the Latin alphabet countries)?

Just from the top of my head we have

Munich - München
Cologne - Köln
The Hague - Den Hagg
Ghent - Gent
Dusseldorf - Düsseldorf (okay, understandable as English doesn't have
umlauts)
Hanover - Hannover

Although the English spelling of one of Nottingham's twin towns is
Timișoara (looks random but is one of Nottingham's twin towns...) - yet
every English town I have checked on foreign Wikipedia's uses the English
spelling in both Dutch and German

On 7 June 2012 13:24, Nick Whitelegg  wrote:

>
> Looking at other locales (e.g. fr, de) it's interesting how few English
> place names have local names in other languages compared to the other way
> round (or at least have been tagged as such in OSM) - only London seems to
> have local names - whereas many towns in Germany and Italy (less so France,
> except for pronunciation) have English names.
>
> The Welsh locale is interesting though.
>
> Nick
>
> -SomeoneElse 
> wrote: -
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> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> From: SomeoneElse 
> Date: 06/06/2012 07:42PM
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is there a world render with country/city labels
> in English?
>
>
> Dave F. wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> As the subject line really. I've had a quick look but came up blank.
>
> Cheers
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> http://toolserver.org/~osm/locale/en.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenFixMap .... android app for looking OSM errors

[Kev js1982]

Looks neat, easy to find all the fix me bugs,
impressively it even works on my x10i, a feat beyond most new apps!
On Dec 16, 2011 9:58 AM, "eMerzh"  wrote:

> Hi everyone ;
> has i wanted to learn a bit how android works, i've started an
> application to help my favorite community :)
>
> OpenFixMap
>
> The idea is to have a map displaying errors detected in OSM by users
> or robots an have the ability to add your own report in one of the
> supported platforms.
> It's my first try in java /  android , so it's not perfect yet but it
> should works :)
>
> So for now, OFM supports MapDust, OpenStreetBugs and KeepRights
> (Thanks to all of them for helping me doing the app and helping the
> community with theirs).
>
> Of course, the application is free and libre , available on my github
> : https://github.com/eMerzh/OpenFixMap
> I've also created a quick page : http://openfixmap.bmaron.net/
>
> All contributions are welcome 
>
> There is already translations for Estonian and French, if you want
> others, help me on transifex :
> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/openfixmap/
>
>
> The link for the market is :
> https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bmaron.openfixmap
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brice Maron aka eMerzh
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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul

[Kev js1982]

The Google maps app, via a labs add on, allows you to download offline
vector maps! Okay they are only 10sq mi each and you are limited to 10 of
them but its still possible.

Kev
On Dec 15, 2011 3:39 AM, "Russ Nelson"  wrote:

> Tobias Knerr writes:
>  > For people who are primarily motivated by applications they can use
>  > today, rather than the potential for future applications, we're just not
>  > that attractive - at least as far as "mainstream" applications are
>  > concerned.
>
> OSMAnd. Offline vector maps. Google Maps can't touch that.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixme: A proposal

[Kev js1982]

Commo fixme in the East midlands at least is
Fixme:stub for future suvey
Typically a path or bridleway where the end has been surveyed but the route
not traversed.  often these hasn't been placed to accuratly either (i.e.
Someone spotted it when passing without gps) so incomplete isn't accurate
either!

Whats the best way of finding these, the only one i have seen is the ito
analysis but they dont offer zooming in :-(

(dont suggest josm, me and it seam to hate one another)
On Oct 3, 2011 11:13 AM, "John Sturdy"  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Ed Avis  wrote:
>>FIXME=Do these roads join here?  Not clear on Bing imagery.  Survey
needed.
>>
>> That will be a useful note for somebody planning to visit the area later
so
>> they can check this place if they wish.
>
> How about starting a convention of using a tag "fixme:survey_needed"
> with the details in the value string?
>
> The only other subtype of fixme that I can think of immediately would
> be "fixme:incomplete", for long / hard-to-spot linear features such as
> powerlines (where I've seen someone else was using fixme=incomplete
> and have tried to follow that convention myself).
>
> I like the idea of extending the NONAME layer to report fixmes, and if
> we used a convention like fixme:survey_needed we could have a distinct
> map symbol for that.
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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

[Kev js1982]

If we are using pronunciations as a guide shall I go and rename "Southwell"
as "Suval" and Leicester as "Lesta"?

On Wednesday, 27 July 2011, andrzej zaborowski  wrote:
> On 27 July 2011 04:04, Stephen Hope  wrote:
>> On 27 July 2011 10:40, Ed Loach  wrote:
>>> Yes, it is called Saint Albans, written St Albans, except where some
>>> websites seem to have expanded it.
>>>
>>> e.g.
>>> http://www.meteoprog.co.uk/en/weather/SaintAlbans/
>>> http://www.gomapper.com/travel/map-of/saint-albans.html
>>> etc...
>>> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=%22saint+albans%22
>>>
>>> I personally would be tempted to store the name tag in expanded form
>>> so it is clear what the St abbreviation applies to (I've seen things
>>> like S St N on Google where they've abbreviated South Street North,
>>> for example, which just looks silly). This seems to agree with
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name#Notes
>>>
>>
>> Um - no.  If a place wants to be written "St Albans", then that's the
>> name. Just because you pronounce it "Saint Albans" makes no
>> difference.
>
> I'd say the opposite is true.  If it's pronounced "Saint Albans" then
> that is the name.  The local administration may want to spell it
> however they like and make one way or the other official, but we don't
> care, in the end it's always a product of how people are and have been
> calling the place.  Place names have often been abbreviated in writing
> because there was never any need for consistency across countries and
> continents, much less for machine-readability.  In OSM there is this
> need.
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Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

[Kev js1982]

So it's an "a" is it - google mail on Android shows a square!

On 26 Jul 2011 15:54, "Richard Fairhurst"  wrote:

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I think it is actually written "St Albans" as stated above.
Indeed. In British English orthography, "Saint" in place and streetnames is
always written as "St". (It's not such an anomaly: "Mrs" as an honorific is
never expanded, either.)

Mind you, British English orthography is also that Martin has an "a" in it,
not a "∡". ;)

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

[Kev js1982]

Quite a lot of car parks and other roads have one way arrows visible on the
bing imagry, often the position of speedlimits are available too, although
this might just be a uk only tendancy.  Certainly helps in completing places
I have visited without a gps and pen/paper.  Then again I have only been
doing stuff I have some knowledge of.

On 15 Dec 2010 11:19, "M∡rtin Koppenhoefer"  wrote:

2010/12/9 Ulf Lamping :

> What the whole discussion here seems to be missing: You can't read street
> names from bing (or Ya...
+1, and you can't see restrictions, surface quality and material,
oneways, etc. on them. That's why there is highway=road. You should
avoid to tag highway=specific-highway-class if you don't know the
location from being on the ground.

Please tag roads derived from aerial imagery as

highway=road

so it is clear what kind of information about the road we have (mainly
the position as it appeared in a several year old orthographic photo).


cheers,
Martin


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[OSM-talk] [OT] ABC Radio National's Future Tense "Maps and tracking - Part One"

[Kev js1982]

Just listened to this weeks podcast entitled "Maps and tracking - Part One"
which was talking about how mapping and cartography have changed in recent
years which I found to be quite interesting and also gave OSM a little
mention too

Broadcast on Australia's ABC Radio National on Thursday September 9th.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/futuretense/
*Old maps have a certain reassuring permanence about them, not so the new
ones - welcome to the age of real-time cartography!*

Kev
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Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

[Kev js1982]

With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk
supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This
seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx
1998.

On 4/26/10, Gregory  wrote:
> On 26 April 2010 11:45, Adrien Pavie  wrote:
>
>>
>> > Don't forget that we already use the scheme
>> > =yes/no/designated/maybe/... to express access restrictions
>> > for modes of transport - so "cart=no" actually means "no shopping cart
>> > riding allowed in here" ;-)
>> >
>> > -Martin
>>
>> Ok, I will change it in the wiki, shop:cart=true/false and the other
>> tags/propositions.
>> But it could be funny create a roadsign "No shopping carts" =P
>>
>
> A lot of supermarkets have a system to stop you taking trolleys/carts home
> (sometimes instead of a charge) so they have a sign like "No carts beyond
> this line, cart will stop suddenly".
>
> You could use the fee tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fee
> but on the shop=* node that
> seems strange (an entry fee to a shop?) so I would suggest
> shop:cart:fee=yes/no (or cart:fee=yes/no) and link to the fee page.
> I would like to know what coin I need for the trolleys, and I think the fee
> tag is supposed to allow this with something like fee=0.50 (assumes local
> currency!), and I think we can assume you usually have just one coin needed.
>
> I don't see a need for this information to be rendered on the map, but
> someone could make an application of providing the information at the side
> (along with opening_hours etc) when you click the shop or in a list of
> search results for shops near you. OSM isn't all about 'the' map.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Roadside Distance Markers

[Kev js1982]

In the uk km 0 is often on a road that was never built!
The km markers on the m6 start counting at the london end of the m1 so
it isn't always the same road that the end is on

On 10/23/09, John Smith  wrote:
> 2009/10/23 mle :
>> Hi Folks -
>>
>> on a recent survey, I mapped some roads with modern km markers by the
>> side of the road.  How should these be mapped - As a node within the
>> highway, or a separate single node to the side of the highway.  And how
>> to tag these ?
>
> Wouldn't it be better to make a relation or something similar to
> indicate the start of the way and then mile markers can be calculated?
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Re: [OSM-talk] trunk_link & ref=*

[Kev js1982]

In the uk they do - visible on the driver location signs - seams to be
a bit random as to which road gets them though - at the a50/a500
junction the latter gets all of them iirc
Can't remember seeing them at the later a500/m6 junction though or the
m6/m65 one

On 9/25/09, Cartinus  wrote:
> On Thursday 24 September 2009 00:16:14 Dave F. wrote:
>> I've trunk_link  going form one trunk to another. They have different
>> references.
>> Do I add a ref=*. If so which one? The one it's leaving or the one it's
>> going to?
>
> The others responded to the second question. But I think the first question
> is
> a lot more important.
>
> We (should) map what is there. So the real question is: Do sliproads between
> trunk roads actually have a ref in the real world?
>
> If I'm not mistaken, then they don't have one around here (the Netherlands).
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

[Kev js1982]

On a similar line how would you tag the zones in Nottingham city centre?
These are aimed at navigation (basically if you are heading for
somewhere in the victoria zone follow the red square with queen
victoria in it for a suitable car park)
These zones don't match with the suburbs (lace market zone includes
part of hockley as well as all of the lace market, the broadmarsh zone
is larger tham the former suburb or the shopping centre there now,
Hockley lies in victoria and lace market so they certainly are not suburbs

On 9/13/09, Liz  wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009, Frankie Roberto wrote:
>> > Well I mentioned it before, but I really believe that for something like
>> > the French Quarter, it is better to use locality.
>>
>> I've always used suburb, but locality might be a good alternative.
>>
>> Another question is: is it better to map quarters as areas or nodes?
>
> they are not a locality in the English I know, and although resident in
> australia, I am a native speaker of English,
>
> To me these Quarters, usually a part of an old city, need a separate tag.
> We could then use that tag for Chinatown in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane.
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Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder

[Kev js1982]

Round here (south Nottingham, uk) black on white, with post codes and
council name in red.
In the city itself most are black on white, with some old ones white on black.


On 8/20/09, Łukasz Jernaś  wrote:
> Poland, Greater Poland :
> White on blue and black on white. It can be different even in the same
> city...
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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs bar vs club

[Kev js1982]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Peter Childs  wrote:

> >  * there may (or may not) be an area set aside for dancing, e.g. with a
> DJ
>
> Thats a nightclub.


It's not though - many places have dance floors but they aren't often used
- A night club is somewhere you go to dance, a bar is somewhere you go
before hand to get drunk on affordable alcohol.
.

>
>
> >  * in places with ridiculous licensing laws (such as the UK), these
> places are often open later than pubs, which normally wind down around 11pm
> or midnight.  A bar or club may not even really get moving before 11 or 12
>

Quite a lot of bars round here open around 19:00 but are often quiet empty
for a while - a more obvious difference is that a pub is somewhere you
generally sit down, can hear yourself think, often has a pool table and
fruit machines and sometimes serves food.  It also hasn't been decorated
since Queen Victoria was a toddler ;)   Generally a place you go to
socialise and relax in the company of friends and a good drink - it would
also be a place you seek out when in need of refreshment while out cycling
or walking. Found anywhere.

A bar on the other hand often plays loud music, had little seating, tends to
be missing the games stuff and was decorated when an Ikea van crashed into
it.  Generally a place you go, have a cheap drink and move onto the next
bar.  Usually only found in town ad city centres.

A night club certainly plays loud music, has a complete lack of seating away
from the chill out space, and the decór is forgotten thanks to the influence
of alcohol - often hold a large number of people.

A day out (especially at the week end) will usually see you start in the
pub, progress onto the bar, before venturing onto a night club which you
leave the following morning.

Perhaps the distinction between Pub and Bar is a peculiarly British thing
thanks to our archaic licensing laws?

Kev :o)
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