Re: [OSM-talk] TomTom is thumping us

[RB]

I recently travelled in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro thanks to the
maps of Lambertus (OSM). We never got lost and I only had to make some few
coorections (roundabouts, etc) and add a road. we would never had found our
way without OSM and the good work of Lambertus.



On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Lambertus  wrote:

> Gert, the same problems you attribute to OSM are valid for TomTom
> (TeleAtlas) as well.
>
> But don't believe me, I provide OSM Garmin maps for almost 5 years now, so
> I'm probably 'too forgiving with my "baby"'. It's the users of these maps
> that disagree with you.
>
> A few recent quotes from OSM Garmin map users who emailed to say thanks:
> "I travelled for 40 days in 7 different countries in South America abd
> found the Garmin Maps very helpful."
>
> "I was driving last week through the netherlands and it went very well!
> Thanks for your support."
>
> The person of the last quote also notified me of an erroneous turn
> restriction, which has been fixed in the next update only two weeks later.
> For free. I guess TomTom does this much better, no?
>
> Gert, please try to contribute in a positive way. The project really won't
> get better with non-constructive criticisms. Perhaps you are simply happier
> with a commercial TomTom map? We will certainly be happier without the
> constant negative vibes.
>
> In interesting read on personalities and OpenSource projects:
> http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/**?p=66
>
>
> On 30-5-2012 17:21, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote:
>
>>
>> TomTom is right, OSM is still a immature product.
>> That may change, but it isn't yet.  But for a few Garmins
>> serious routing on OSM is a hazardous enterprise.
>> Even in the Netherlands, one of the countries with
>> a high completion rate, road classification is NOT
>> consistent, so are the deafault traffic rules that go with it.
>> A router may find a route, but that is it. No comfort,
>> no lanes, no direction signs, no traffic lights, and no
>> obstruction warnings.
>> Many roads (albethem small ones) are still marked pedestrian,
>> and inhibit a car router to reach destination.
>> Cycle roads are tagged inconsistently or plain faulty, and there
>> are many ,many real errors. At the time, before OSMF
>> told me to stop correcting the map for something as trivial
>> as a license, I found errors on every 20 roads on average.
>> Not all fatal, but enough to make me turn to Google
>> Navigon or TomTom to get me at my destination.
>> Those who state the contrary are too forgiving with their "baby".
>> And yes as Greg says, you may correct the errors, but when you're done
>> correcting the error, you do not need OSM anymore to get there !!!
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gert
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you

[RB]

+1

Thank you very much from a "silent mapper".


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote:

>
> Richard, (All,)
>
> I read your email below and it saddened me that you feel this way. I
> therefore want to write a quick thank-you on behalf of the "silent layer of
> contributors". We are grateful for the work that all developers put into
> OSM and please do not feel disheartened by a few negative responses. When I
> meet up with other mappers face-to-face there is still a lot of positivity
> towards the project, and any negative comments are perhaps a sign that
> people are passionate and care about it too. Unfortunately we are all
> guilty of not giving enough positive feedback and therefore it the negative
> comments can start to look like a personal attack. They most certainly are
> not.
>
> Please keep up the good work - we got over the change to ODbL, we can
> tackle anything :-)
>
> All the best
> Rob
>
>
> == Quote: ==
>
> Complete disarming honesty time: the thing that puts me off working on OSM
> code (and heaven knows I've spent enough time on it over the years) isn't
> the lack of remuneration. It's the community, and its sense of entitlement.
>
> Something has gone wrong with the OSM community and I wish I knew how to fix
> it. Writing code for OSM has become a really thankless, unpleasant business.
> Most of the Top Ten Tasks, though ambitious - that's why they're in the Top
> Ten, after all - are perfectly within the capability of one developer with a
> vague acquaintance with OSM and a modest design sensibility. (Of them all,
> the hardest is actually being tackled - by you, of course, Paweł!)
>
> But really, why bother? You'll only get crap thrown at you for doing so.
> Every time there's even a modest layout improvement to the front page, all
> hell breaks loose on some forum or other and there's an outcry of "Why
> wasn't I consulted?". Let's keep the WMF comparison going: I don't think the
> Wikipedia, or Linux, guys consult the entire fucking community every time
> they swap two bytes in the code. But for some reason, much of our community
> expects it, and vocally, without being prepared to lift a finger to help.
>
> Thing is, if you actually look below the surface of the lists and the
> diaries and the chat snipers and all of that, there's a huge, silent layer
> of contributors new and old, just as there's always been, quietly getting on
> with mapping the world (when, that is, they're not being angry-messaged by
> "experienced" users to say YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG). They're the guys who make
> OSM what it is, not the voices on the lists. But I'm not strong enough to
> ignore the noisy ones, and I wish I was.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

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ID is a wonderful editor, simple and intuitive.  Although I am mostly a
JOSN user, I know at least 2 beginners who feel confident enough to edit
the map since there is ID.

Thanks very much for it. It is helping OSM a lot.

Ruben
Le 24 mai 2013 15:05, "Simon Poole"  a écrit :

>
> Am 08.05.2013 17:10, schrieb razor74:
> > The worst editor ewer.
> There is still (deleted) data in the database from an editor that got
> lat/lon confused  what was the name again 
>
> JOSM
>
> Simon
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Re: [OSM-talk] Appeal for a JOSM fieldpapers plugin to replace walkingpapers

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I support very much this idea. It would be very useful.
Le 27 mai 2013 12:22, "maning sambale"  a
écrit :

> Dear osm-talk,
>
> Posting this appeal to the general talk list. Hoping someone can catch
> this. ;)
> Back story: We use walkingpapers a lot for community mapping, it would
> be nice for a plugin that uses fieldpapers.
>
> Filed ticket: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/8738
> Modify the walkingpapers plugin to use fieldpapers instead
> Description
> Walkingpapers is currently unmaintained for over a year now.
> Requesting a modification or a new plugin that uses fieldpapers
> instead.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] High res DigitalGlobe imagery open for tracing through Mapbox Satellite

[RB]

Ouah!

That's impressive! It covers many forest areas in the shade on Bing in
Switzerland.

Thanks a lot!


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> Effective immediately the Mapbox Satellite option in iD and JOSM is 100%
> open for tracing in OpenStreetMap, including all our high resolution
> DigitalGlobe imagery. This is full coverage down to zoom level 19 imagery
> in the US + Western Europe and world wide to zoom level 17.
>
> To use this imagery select "Mapbox Satellite" from the imagery menu in iD
> on the web or in JOSM. Mapbox Satellite is open for tracing in
> OpenStreetMap in general and not tied to a specific editor, so if you would
> like to add Mapbox Satellite to another OpenStreetMap editor you are
> welcome to do so.
>
> Big props to Kevin Bullock (cc'ed) and our friends at DigitalGlobe - it's
> fantastic working with good people who see wins of working with
> OpenStreetMap.
>
> Alex
>
> PS - on an existing installation of JOSM you'll have to refresh your
> imagery menu like so: http://cl.ly/image/383O2L0t431s
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Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

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I second that.

While it is true that OSM is definitely more that an addressable map,
addresses are, indeed, very helpful and even necessary. For various reason,
they constitute a weakness in the current project growth and emphasizing
the need to survey them / negotiate import with relevant authorities is a
good thing.



On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Jason Remillard 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The OpenAddress project is great, but we still need addresses in OSM.
> It would make sense to write OSM importing (and updating) software
> that is assumes OpenAddress as an input, rather than the raw files
> released by official GIS committees. By standardizing on the output of
> the OpenAddress project, most of the remaining work needed for an OSM
> address import is the same, therefor we have a chance of getting good
> OSM import software written and a standardized processes that can be
> optimized.
>
> Thought I have never seen this idea expressed on the OSM lists, I
> assume this is part of the long term vision for the OpenAddress
> project. If a commercial OSM user (or the board) wants to encourage
> getting addresses into OSM at a large scale, this would be the way to
> go.
>
> Jason
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:27 PM, David Fawcett 
> wrote:
> > Agreed.  Jukka points to ideas that could enhance OpenAddresses, There is
> > some good momentum behind OA already, let's get together and improve that
> > project.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jukka Rahkonen
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> With a dedicated database and tools for addresses the route could
> really
> >>> be easier and faster and I would not feel ashamed at all while
> importing
> >>> addresses from this master address database into OSM later.
> >>
> >>
> >> Such a thing already exists! :) I would love to have you contribute to
> >> OpenAddresses: http://openaddresses.io/
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Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol

[RB]

Same here, unless people are brought by force to OSM meetings and forced
again to driks alcohol, this is a non issue.

Good point for the smokers.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
> 2014-11-05 16:25 GMT+01:00 Pieren :
>
>> Sorry, I find this 25 emails discussion about having orange juice or
>> not in OSM alcoholic "events" just ridiculous. Everyone is free to
>> join or organize an OSM "event", with or without alcohol. Everyone is
>> free to add non-alcoholic drinks or quieter rooms in such "events".
>> What I'm sure is that OSM has many, many more important issues than this
>> one.
>>
>
>
> I agree plainly.
> And I'd like to add that in all OSM events I have been to so far, smokers
> have been marginalized.
>
> cheers,
> Martin
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[OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

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I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
localities (such as Javerne )
aren't mostly covered by wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to
all the 3 localities pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia
moderators.

Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
localities to orphan wikidata objects?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin ETREX 10

[RB]

Hi.

I use the 30 and I really enjoy it. I also use it to monitor and record my
running trainings with an heart rate monitor. Great tool.

It is automatically recognized as a removable device and records everything
in .gpx by default. Great tool to contribute to the map.



On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Frans Thamura  wrote:

> hi all
>
> any comment for Garmin etrex 10 for using OSM specific work
>
> thx
>
> F
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Re: [OSM-talk] Komuna e Malishevës, Serbia ?

[RB]

Well, personally, I don't really care, but saying than Malishevo is located
in Serbia is certainly not less accurate than saying than it sits in
Kosovo, since most of the world countries don't recognize Kosovo as a
sovereign country. To be exact, it should be possible to say that it is in
both countries.

2012/4/1 Mike Dupont 

>
>
> 2012/4/1 Lester Caine 
>
>> Altin Ukshini wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone care about these reports ?
>>> I said it before and I'm saying it again, we can't monitor/administer
>>> the map
>>> everyday and you know this, we don't even have enough people
>>> contributing in OSM
>>> here in Kosovo and Serbians are using this opportunity to change
>>> whatever they
>>> want in the map.
>>>
>>> I don't think that you might want to loose contributors from Kosovo !?
>>> You have to report these violations... how much will this last until
>>> someone
>>> makes a decision ?
>>> We have already reported so many violations till now.
>>>
>>
>> 'Location' is somewhat hit or miss everywhere. My own diary postings give
>> some strange textual descriptions of where they were supposed to be
>> located. The problem here is simply that there is no clear mechanism for
>> identifying 'where' a location is, so until all of the relevant boundaries
>> are mapped and tested in the same way as the intensive effort on getting
>> the coastline complete it is going to be difficult to fix some of these
>> irritations.
>>
>> I've given up asking for a proper check on hierarchy place and is_in
>> which would at least get towns in the right country ... rather than relying
>> on the mapped boundaries ...
>>
>>
> this has changed, it used to be kosovo.
> it needs to be fixed, please.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Komuna e Malishevës, Serbia ?

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Please : I am not making anymore "bloody politics" than people claiming
that the situation is damn simple. I am a swiss citizen (not a Serb) and I
really like all the people in Kosovo (KOA as well as KOS and the other
ethnicities). It has nothing to do with taking side or whatever, but I am
just saying that is is a complicated situation and that our map should try
to reflect it.

2012/4/1 Lester Caine 

> Mike Dupont wrote:
>
>> 2012/4/1 Lester Caine mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>>
>>
>>
>>Altin Ukshini wrote:
>>
>>Does anyone care about these reports ?
>>I said it before and I'm saying it again, we can't
>> monitor/administer
>>the map
>>everyday and you know this, we don't even have enough people
>>contributing in OSM
>>here in Kosovo and Serbians are using this opportunity to change
>>whatever they
>>want in the map.
>>
>>I don't think that you might want to loose contributors from
>> Kosovo !?
>>You have to report these violations... how much will this last
>> until someone
>>makes a decision ?
>>We have already reported so many violations till now.
>>
>>
>>'Location' is somewhat hit or miss everywhere. My own diary postings
>> give
>>some strange textual descriptions of where they were supposed to be
>> located.
>>The problem here is simply that there is no clear mechanism for
>> identifying
>>'where' a location is, so until all of the relevant boundaries are
>> mapped
>>and tested in the same way as the intensive effort on getting the
>> coastline
>>complete it is going to be difficult to fix some of these irritations.
>>
>>I've given up asking for a proper check on hierarchy place and is_in
>> which
>>would at least get towns in the right country ... rather than relying
>> on the
>>mapped boundaries ...
>>
>>
>> this has changed, it used to be kosovo.
>> it needs to be fixed, please.
>>
>
> My point is ... does anybody actually know where it is broken?
> It is not the 'is_in' tag ... that isn't used to determine location ...
> last time I tried looking at this problem in the UK nobody seemed to know
> how the location was ACTUALLY generated :( It looks to the 'administrative
> boundaries' areas and so presumably someone has been playing with them?
> It's a pain trying to find what has been 'modified' ...
>
> ( No bloody politics here RB !!! )
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