[OSRM-talk] OSRM Demo server - Hosting Volunteer

[Srihari Thalla]

Hi,

I'd like to volunteer to host the demo server for the project.

Demo: Germany country-wide with *Car* profile only
Frontend: https://daxserver.com
OSRM API: https://osrm.daxserver.com (
https://osrm.daxserver.com/route/v1/driving/13.388860,52.517037;13.385983,52.496891?steps=true
 )

A little bit about myself and my relationship with OSM.

I am Srihari Thalla, based out of Munich, originally from Hyderabad, India.

I contribute on OSM under the username "Srihari Thalla" without quotes
(with space in between the names.) I am also a member of OSMF.

I hosted a few MapRoulette challenges about 3 years ago
1. https://maproulette.org/admin/project/937/challenge/2403
2. https://maproulette.org/admin/project/937/challenge/2814
and others

In the past, I have worked at LocationIQ, which hosted Nominatim and
provided its services. I lead the development at LocationIQ where it served
over a billion geocoding requests per day when I left the company.

I have also worked with Docker and k8s on my personal projects and I know
the ins and outs of working with Docker and setting up and managing infra.

I hope I can host the OSRM demo server.

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Re: [Talk-in] Earth on AWS

[Srihari Thalla]

This is amazing!

On Sun 5 Nov, 2017, 22:27 Shrinivasan T,  wrote:

> Explore Amazon's stuff on geo spacial field.
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/earth/
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Re: [Talk-in] old_name tag for merged Associate State Banks

[Srihari Thalla]

Chetan, Is there any possibility to update them via script?

I am not sure if Overpass API can download based on changes in changesets.
If not, manually going through the spreadsheet would be the obvious choice.

It would be better to write a script to query the histories of Bank amenity
objects
and import them into JOSM and update.

Scripting would, of course, need approval from the community!

Here are my changesets: OSMCha: https://goo.gl/V76HoH

I bundled all the changes into two changesets. (There are 5 other singled
out changesets too.)

Manually :: Downloading the changeset -> going through each object history
-> updating each object

What do you say would be a good idea?

On Fri 13 Oct, 2017, 17:03 Chetan H A, <chetanh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Srihari, makes sense. I wonder how to get back deleted old names and add
> it in old_name tag in one go like you added?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Back in May 2017, we have updated the name tags of merged Associate State
>> Banks from their old names (State Bank of xxx) to the new name, "State Bank
>> of India".
>>
>> We have identified and tracked the entries in a spreadsheet [1]. I have
>> updated many entries.
>> However, I forgot to add the old_name tag with the old name (State Bank
>> of xxx) and just updated the name tag to State Bank of India.
>>
>> I think it is good to have the old names in the old_name tag as people
>> might still remember the banks with their old names.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Srihari
>>
>> [1] -
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VXVWQVF1rujmQiSQVrXiTOi2sRImh29I2JCGWCKaxc/edit#gid=1622201629
>>
>> talk-in Discussions
>> [1] -
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/2017-April/002862.html
>> [2] -
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/2017-May/002888.html
>>
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[Talk-in] old_name tag for merged Associate State Banks

[Srihari Thalla]

Hi,

Back in May 2017, we have updated the name tags of merged Associate State
Banks from their old names (State Bank of xxx) to the new name, "State Bank
of India".

We have identified and tracked the entries in a spreadsheet [1]. I have
updated many entries.
However, I forgot to add the old_name tag with the old name (State Bank of
xxx) and just updated the name tag to State Bank of India.

I think it is good to have the old names in the old_name tag as people
might still remember the banks with their old names.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
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[1] -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VXVWQVF1rujmQiSQVrXiTOi2sRImh29I2JCGWCKaxc/edit#gid=1622201629

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[1] -
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[2] - https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/2017-May/002888.html

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Re: [Talk-in] Tagging service roads of National Highways

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Hi,

The secondary tag seems more appropriate for the area I have shared. Thanks
for the Wiki link. I'll update the roads.

On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 at 12:06 I Chengappa <imchenga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi
>
> It definitely should not be trunk_link.
>
> The advice at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Frontage_road is that
> it should be tagged as a minor road as compared to the major road. The
> tagging level should depend on its function in local connectivity i.e. how
> important it is in connecting local settlements. I think most of them could
> reasonably be tagged as tertiary or secondary roads.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On 19 August 2017 at 10:15, Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Some of the major National Highways (like Asian Highways[1]) have service
>> roads running in parallel. What is the standard tagging of these roads?
>>
>> I have tagged them as "trunk_link" [2] but I am not sure if this is the
>> one followed by others.
>>
>> [1] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/471481188
>> [2] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/421844986
>>
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[Talk-in] Tagging service roads of National Highways

[Srihari Thalla]

Hi!

Some of the major National Highways (like Asian Highways[1]) have service
roads running in parallel. What is the standard tagging of these roads?

I have tagged them as "trunk_link" [2] but I am not sure if this is the one
followed by others.

[1] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/471481188
[2] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/421844986

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Re: [Talk-in] Short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks

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Can RBI be tagged with amenity=bank? The wiki[1] says "A bank branch is a
financial establishment where customers can, among other services, deposit
and withdraw money, take loans, make investments and transfer funds." RBI
does not do them (does it?) rather controls the money policy and others.

BTW, here is the complete list of Banks in India:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_in_India
In a previous mail, the link I posted is just a category of it.

[1] - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbank

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 at 23:25 Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, RBI is lost!
>
> On Thu 1 Jun, 2017, 23:21 Chetan H A, <chetanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Srihari,
>>
>> That's truly makes sense. Short names will make search quicker, you have
>> already covered most of them. Only RBI is missing from the list!
>>
>> Best,
>> Chetan
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is recommended to add short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks.
>>> Short names will enable Nominatim to search when short names are queried.
>>> Additionally, website and wikipedia tags would be useful.
>>>
>>> Here is a list of short names for banks I could think of. Please suggest
>>> any others!
>>>
>>> - BoB
>>> - BoI
>>> - HDFC
>>> - ICICI
>>> - IDBI
>>> - IOB
>>> - KVB
>>> - OBC
>>> - PNB
>>> - RBL
>>> - SBI
>>>
>>> For reference, here is a list of banks in the country -
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banks_of_India
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Re: [Talk-in] Short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks

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Are these short names intended for UPI or payments-related?

On Fri 2 Jun, 2017, 09:56 Shajeer M, <shaj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.npci.org.in/documents/Lists_of_Banks_along_with_Short_name_and_IFS_code_live_on_NUUP.pdf
>
>
>
> Sent from my Mi phone
> On 1 Jun 2017 11:21 p.m., Chetan H A <chetanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Srihari,
>
> That's truly makes sense. Short names will make search quicker, you have
> already covered most of them. Only RBI is missing from the list!
>
> Best,
> Chetan
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It is recommended to add short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks.
>> Short names will enable Nominatim to search when short names are queried.
>> Additionally, website and wikipedia tags would be useful.
>>
>> Here is a list of short names for banks I could think of. Please suggest
>> any others!
>>
>> - BoB
>> - BoI
>> - HDFC
>> - ICICI
>> - IDBI
>> - IOB
>> - KVB
>> - OBC
>> - PNB
>> - RBL
>> - SBI
>>
>> For reference, here is a list of banks in the country -
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banks_of_India
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Re: [Talk-in] Short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks

[Srihari Thalla]

Yeah, RBI is lost!

On Thu 1 Jun, 2017, 23:21 Chetan H A, <chetanh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Srihari,
>
> That's truly makes sense. Short names will make search quicker, you have
> already covered most of them. Only RBI is missing from the list!
>
> Best,
> Chetan
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It is recommended to add short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks.
>> Short names will enable Nominatim to search when short names are queried.
>> Additionally, website and wikipedia tags would be useful.
>>
>> Here is a list of short names for banks I could think of. Please suggest
>> any others!
>>
>> - BoB
>> - BoI
>> - HDFC
>> - ICICI
>> - IDBI
>> - IOB
>> - KVB
>> - OBC
>> - PNB
>> - RBL
>> - SBI
>>
>> For reference, here is a list of banks in the country -
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banks_of_India
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[Talk-in] Short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks

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It is recommended to add short names and brand:wikidata tags for Banks.
Short names will enable Nominatim to search when short names are queried.
Additionally, website and wikipedia tags would be useful.

Here is a list of short names for banks I could think of. Please suggest
any others!

- BoB
- BoI
- HDFC
- ICICI
- IDBI
- IOB
- KVB
- OBC
- PNB
- RBL
- SBI

For reference, here is a list of banks in the country -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banks_of_India
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Re: [Talk-in] Change of merged bank names in OpenStreetMap

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Chetan,

I have left some of the entries in the spreadsheet which are ambiguously
named like 'SBI ATM' and such, but of course, are tagged with amenity=bank.
I am not sure if I can change them.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 at 10:24 Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> > An area suits well with the dedicated scenario but a node is preferred
> for rented ones!
>
> Agree!
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Re: [Talk-in] Adding Wikidata links to OSM data in India

[Srihari Thalla]

Yeah, checked it after coming through your changeset this afternoon. It's
very good. But unfortunately Overpass timed out for my queries :-/ I've
tried Guntur city and district.

On Mon 29 May, 2017, 17:21 Arun Ganesh,  wrote:

> There's a beautiful new tool called https://osm.wikidata.link that helps
> identify potential map features in any city that can be linked with their
> respective Wikidata/Wikipedia entries.
>
> I just tried it out for New Delhi and was quite surprised to find that all
> the suggestions it gave were accurate and all it took was for a single
> click to review and add all of them. Would be great to hear if it worked
> well for your own city or town.
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Re: [Talk-in] Change of merged bank names in OpenStreetMap

[Srihari Thalla]

I just noticed that several banks have translations in other languages too!
I guess we need to address them, maybe after this sprint of changes? An
automated script might be preferred as all these banks are just names the
same!

On Sat, 27 May 2017 at 13:17 Chetan H A <chetanh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Srihari, I'm uploading the changeset with the comment:
> "change of merged bank names to SBI
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/2017-May/002888.html ",
> Let me know if you need any help.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Chetan H A <chetanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sri Hari, I started fixing from the top of spreadsheet. Please join
>> from the bottom of it.
>>
>> On 27 May 2017 1:02 p.m., "Srihari Thalla" <thallasrih...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Chetan,
>>
>> Have you started working on them? I'd like to join with you.
>>
>> On Thu 25 May, 2017, 09:54 Chetan H A, <chetanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Bharata, this workflow works good for most of users who use JOSM as
>>> editor. Thanks for the help. Will work on weekends and knock them all.
>>> Anyone who want to join is appreciated. :)
>>>
>>> Chetan
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Bharata H S <bharatagu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In reference with [1
>>>> <http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/sbi-five-associate-banks-bmb-merge-with-sbi/article17757316.ece>
>>>> ], [2
>>>> <http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/banking/finance/banking/post-merger-sbi-begins-operations-as-unified-entity/articleshow/57962972.cms>]
>>>> and the earlier discussion in this thread, pulled out a list of bank names
>>>> that needs to be renamed as State Bank of India.
>>>>
>>>> The steps followed were,
>>>>
>>>>1. Overpass query <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/oQt> with amenity=bank
>>>>for the geocoding area of India.
>>>>2. The raw data as .csv was extracted and imported to a
>>>>spreadsheet.
>>>>3. Used simple filtering to classify the required banks that need
>>>>to be renamed. *Spreadsheet*
>>>>
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VXVWQVF1rujmQiSQVrXiTOi2sRImh29I2JCGWCKaxc/edit#gid=1622201629>
>>>>4. There are 594 entries that needs to be fixed.
>>>>5. Created a JOSM link to assist the addition of modified name.
>>>>This adds
>>>>   1. name=State Bank of India
>>>>   2. short_name=SBI [short_name  -  Common abbreviation, useful
>>>>   for searching (recognised by Nominatim).
>>>>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name ]
>>>>   3. wikidata=Q1340361 (*Ref
>>>>   <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1340361>)*
>>>>   4. wikipedia=en:State Bank of India (*Ref
>>>>   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Bank_of_India>)*
>>>>   5. website=https://www.sbi.co.in  <https://www.sbi.co.in>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. There is also a link to open the feature and edit with *iD
>>>>editor. *But the tags mentioned above are not added automatically.
>>>>2. The feature corresponding to the bank could be viewed on
>>>>OpenStreetMap using the View in OSM link.
>>>>3.  Added a Status column and a progress tracker table to keep
>>>>track of the count.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Note*: The current list contains only features tagged as amenity=bank
>>>> in OpenStreetMap and doesn’t include ATMs that are usually tagged as
>>>> amenity=atm. The list also includes banks which are just named as *SBI
>>>> *and doesn’t have the proper name as State Bank of India. The
>>>> intention behind this was to standardise all State banks on OpenStreetMap.
>>>>
>>>> [1] -
>>>> http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/sbi-five-associate-banks-bmb-merge-with-sbi/article17757316.ece
>>>> [2] -
>>>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/banking/finance/banking/post-merger-sbi-begins-operations-as-unified-entity/articleshow/57962972.cms
>>>>
>>>> Share your thoughts on this and any suggestions are welcome on the
>>>> approach.
>>>>
>>>> Link to Spreadsheet:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VXVWQ

Re: [Talk-in] Change of merged bank names in OpenStreetMap

[Srihari Thalla]

Hey Chetan,

Have you started working on them? I'd like to join with you.

On Thu 25 May, 2017, 09:54 Chetan H A,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Bharata, this workflow works good for most of users who use JOSM as
> editor. Thanks for the help. Will work on weekends and knock them all.
> Anyone who want to join is appreciated. :)
>
> Chetan
>
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Bharata H S 
> wrote:
>
>> In reference with [1
>> 
>> ], [2
>> ]
>> and the earlier discussion in this thread, pulled out a list of bank names
>> that needs to be renamed as State Bank of India.
>>
>> The steps followed were,
>>
>>1. Overpass query  with amenity=bank
>>for the geocoding area of India.
>>2. The raw data as .csv was extracted and imported to a spreadsheet.
>>3. Used simple filtering to classify the required banks that need to
>>be renamed. *Spreadsheet*
>>
>> 
>>4. There are 594 entries that needs to be fixed.
>>5. Created a JOSM link to assist the addition of modified name. This
>>adds
>>   1. name=State Bank of India
>>   2. short_name=SBI [short_name  -  Common abbreviation, useful for
>>   searching (recognised by Nominatim).
>>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name ]
>>   3. wikidata=Q1340361 (*Ref
>>   )*
>>   4. wikipedia=en:State Bank of India (*Ref
>>   )*
>>   5. website=https://www.sbi.co.in  
>>
>>
>>1. There is also a link to open the feature and edit with *iD editor.
>>*But the tags mentioned above are not added automatically.
>>2. The feature corresponding to the bank could be viewed on
>>OpenStreetMap using the View in OSM link.
>>3.  Added a Status column and a progress tracker table to keep track
>>of the count.
>>
>>
>> *Note*: The current list contains only features tagged as amenity=bank
>> in OpenStreetMap and doesn’t include ATMs that are usually tagged as
>> amenity=atm. The list also includes banks which are just named as *SBI *and
>> doesn’t have the proper name as State Bank of India. The intention behind
>> this was to standardise all State banks on OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> [1] -
>> http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/sbi-five-associate-banks-bmb-merge-with-sbi/article17757316.ece
>> [2] -
>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/banking/finance/banking/post-merger-sbi-begins-operations-as-unified-entity/articleshow/57962972.cms
>>
>> Share your thoughts on this and any suggestions are welcome on the
>> approach.
>>
>> Link to Spreadsheet:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VXVWQVF1rujmQiSQVrXiTOi2sRImh29I2JCGWCKaxc/edit#gid=1622201629
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:15 PM, muzirian  wrote:
>>
>>> Ya many will will be shutdown, but all of them are working now, SBI have
>>> announced changed branch names.I think i saw those name list on newspaper.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Arun Ganesh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Srihari's suggestion of using overpass->JOSM is the easiest if we want
 to make such a change.

 > Meanwhile, we can just change bank name from associate to SBI.

 We should do this once the name boards on the ground start changing,
 otherwise this would cause confusion for those using the maps. Ganesh is
 there a deadline by which all the branches should update their signboard?

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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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Yes. Yes, very hard!

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017, 17:00 Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> You mean individual train routes? Thats sounds incredibly hard to map and
> maintain.
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Re: [Talk-in] Survey of India maps

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OSM is categorized commercial?

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 17:16 muzirian  wrote:

> They have made it clear that the data cant be used freely for commercial
> purposes, so I guess this restricts the use of these data in osm.
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Piyush P Kurur 
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 08:59:46AM +0530, GN wrote:
> > Regrefully some of you have Aadhaar number to download the maps!
> >
> >
> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aadhaar-must-for-e-access-to-survey-of-india-maps/article17915073.ece
>
>
> This is getting beyond absurd, the not even wrong territory. Aadhar
> number for downloading maps?
>
> Regards,
>
> ppk
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Re: [Talk-in] How shall we handle multiple railway=station tags at the same place?

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Taking this even further, I think tagging the area around the railway
stations with landuse=railway would even be very useful and will be
rendered as a light pink coloured background!

[1] Viajaywada - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/16.5190/80.6205
[2] Bengaluru - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/12.9786/77.5703
[3] Chennai Central - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/13.0864/80.2717
[4] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ogl

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 at 22:35 Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems someone actually updated with landuse=railway!
>
> [1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47262978
>
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 at 21:31 muzirian <muzir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Your suggestion sounds good, isn't landuse=railway good? what alternative
> is available?
>
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I am not sure if this is discussed earlier, but what shall we do?
>
> We can trace and tag the buildings with building=train_station but shall
> we update the areas with landuse=railway (or maybe something better)?
>
> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nOB
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dtrain_station
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Drailway
> [4]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/2017-March/002813.html
>
> cc @PlaneMad @muzirian
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[Talk-in] Identifying usage of railway tracks

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As of this writing, there are 10052 Ways with railway=rail but without any
usage=* / service=* tags[1].

I have created a MapRoulette Challenge[2] with these Ways. I hope this
Challenge would get IRFCA fans interested[3]. (Who knows about railways
better than them? ;))

But, I have not filled in the instructions on how to complete the
Challenge. I don't think many IRFCA people know how to contribute to OSM,
so I believe a detailed instruction manual would be necessary (like this
[4]).

Can someone help me with preparing it?

[1] - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/o9o
[2] - http://maproulette.org/map/2465
[3] - http://www.openrailwaymap.org
[4] - https://gist.github.com/SrihariThalla/ab896aecef7f50999aae1b2fd210c036
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Re: [Talk-in] license compatibility of various data sources for india

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But DataMeet has only 5 states :-/

What about this repo -
https://github.com/justinelliotmeyers/official_india_2011_village_boundary_lines
Does it contain all of them?

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 23:19 Naveen Francis  wrote:

> http://projects.datameet.org/indian_village_boundaries/
>  (All work will be under Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL). )
>
>
> On 5 April 2017 at 20:01, muzirian  wrote:
>
> Anybody know if all these sources given in this page have an osm
> compaitable license?
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Data_sources
>
> Also is there any other data source which we can use like anything from
> https://data.gov.in
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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Oh, may be check out West Godavari of AP?

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 at 23:00 muzirian  wrote:

> >Can you help with mapping villages? You can start with your native
> district.
>
> Its difficult to understand village borders here from imagery.
> May be I can help with places where its possible.
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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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I have completed identifying unmapped villages in Krishna. There are 1174
nodes and ways tagged with "place=village".

I have made a Challenge in MapRoulette to trace roads and connect these
villages with nearby highways. (We can trace houses later.)

I need help with tagging the roads. I made the instructions to tag
asphalt/good condition roads as "tertiary" and other non-asphalt roads as
"unclassified".
Since these roads connect villages with other major highways/town/other
villages, the tags tertiary/unclassified seemed optimal.

Identifying and tagging these unmapped villages took around 8 hours and
spread across a week!
At this rate, it might take several months for me to just tag Andhra
Pradesh and Telangana.

I would really need help from others speeding this up. If anyone's
interested, we can organise and work together.

[1] - http://maproulette.org/map/2460
[2] - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nT8
[3] - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Roads

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 at 23:42 Srihari Thalla <thallasrih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have added "place=village" nodes for villages in Krishna district (AP)
> traced on Bing imagery [1] [2]. I have only traced some parts of the
> district and the villages count grew to ~700 and probably doubles once I
> sweep thru the entire district. It took a couple of hours for mapping them
> (~350 in 2 changesets).
>
> At this rate, it would take several days to just identify unmapped
> villages and then map them and several weeks to trace roads to them!
>
> Any ideas on how we can speed this up? As Arun said, we should do it in
> sprints for this process to take off.
>
> Thoughts and ideas...
>
> [1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47103126
> [2] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47096890
> [3] - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nIz
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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

[Srihari Thalla]

Hi Deepak,

Thanks for your feedback! It's very useful.

1. I have made a post with detailed instructions for tagging districts. I
think it is a little easy to tag all the adjacent districts as they share
the same ways.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/maproulette/2017-March/000113.html

2. The official railway link for station codes seems to be down sometimes
and working sometimes. I found an IRFCA link to search for the station
codes. I have updated the link in MapRoulette too.
IRFCA - http://irfca.org/apps/station_codes

3. If no Wiki info if found, it's better to leave them and mark as "Too
difficult/Couldn't fix" in MapRoulette. We can investigate them once the
current Challenges are completed.

4. Stations in the middle of nowhere can be left as marked as "Too
difficult". We can check them later! You can find the train routes info at
http://indiarailinfo.com/
ᐧ

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Deepak Cherian <dpak.cher...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Srihari,
>
> I found the challenges a lot of fun. Some feedback below
>
> 1. The districts are a little confusing because district borders are
> shared between two districts. I guess participants are expected to select
> the appropriate way and link to the appropriate wikipedia page. Would be
> good to clarify that.
>
> 2. www.indianrail.gov.in/stn_Code.html does not open. I've been searching
> on DuckDuckGoto find the station code so far.
>
> 3. What about towns/cities/districts/railway-stations that have no
> wikipedia page? Do I say "I fixed it" without changing anything?
>
> 4. Some of the railway stations appear to be in the middle of "nowhere".
> Do you have any suggestions on how to find their name?
>
> Deepak
>
> On 03/23/2017 12:43 PM, Srihari Thalla wrote:
>
>> Hi, Deepak!
>>
>> You have to zoom in a little bit. MapRoulette is trying to load the
>> visible map on the screen in JOSM.
>>
>> For districts, as they are relations, zoom in on the boundary. This will
>> make sure that JOSM download contains the relation.
>> Before (MapRoulette says too much area)
>> - https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gi6v65xzl9zxja/Screenshot%202017-
>> 03-24%2000.03.50.png?dl=0
>> After
>> - https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4hjq9lpstnkad3/Screenshot%202017-
>> 03-24%2000.04.22.png?dl=0
>>
>> For cities and towns, as they are mostly nodes, zoom in on the node.
>> Screenshot
>> - https://www.dropbox.com/s/siivc2in9x70yhq/Screenshot%202017-
>> 03-24%2000.05.33.png?dl=0
>> If it still says too much area, just zoom in a little more!
>>
>> Try these once again and let me know if it worked. If there are
>> problems, I will check with Martijn of MapRoulette!
>>
>> Thanks for checking out challenges. Did you find them useful? Any
>> improvements to be done for them to make them even more efficient and
>> exciting?
>> Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Srihari
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 at 23:49 Deepak Cherian <dpak.cher...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dpak.cher...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Srihari,
>>
>> Thanks a lot. I just successfully procrastinated through a morning
>> searching for Indian Railway station codes.
>>
>> I tried doing Challenges 3,4 but MapRoulette keeps telling me that the
>> areas are too large to download the data. How do I get around that?
>>
>> Deepak
>>
>> On 03/16/2017 09:55 AM, Srihari Thalla wrote:
>> > I have set up these challenges as of today:
>> >
>> > [1] - Railway Station codes
>> > [2] - Wiki tags for railway stations
>> > [3] - Wiki tags for cities and towns
>> > [4] - Wiki tags for districts
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > @Naveen I hope all the NHs are already traced and mapped [and
>> updated to
>> > the new numbering]? I'll check if Overpass QL supports regex
>> tomorrow
>> > and set up the challenges. I might need your help.
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > Regarding tracing roads and building in small towns and villages, I
>> > noticed that more 50% of the villages were not even mapped (at
>> least in
>> > Andhra/Telangana, I didn't look at other states). I think this
>> procedure
>> > might be good:
>> >
>> > [a] - Place `node`s with place=village tags for untagged villages.
>> We
>> > don't know all the names, so we might want to leave the name for
>> now.
>> > [b] - Setup challenges to trace 

[Talk-in] How shall we handle multiple railway=station tags at the same place?

[Srihari Thalla]

I am not sure if this is discussed earlier, but what shall we do?

We can trace and tag the buildings with building=train_station but shall we
update the areas with landuse=railway (or maybe something better)?

[1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nOB
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dtrain_station
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Drailway
[4] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-in/2017-March/002813.html

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Re: [Talk-in] Exploring recent edits in India

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Amazing! I added a couple more details for the town ;)

On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 at 09:38 muzirian  wrote:

> Thnx :D
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2017, Arun Ganesh  wrote:
>
> Its been fun to see the recent changes on the map in Deccan India using
> osmcha [1]. Ended up adding some detail in Aluva to help out muzirian :)
>
> [1]
> http://osmcha.mapbox.com/?modify__gte=0=65.04829732015679%2C7.823251374735577%2C88.56093988187973%2C19.856480543913648_suspect=False_whitelisted=All=All
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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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Hi, Deepak!

You have to zoom in a little bit. MapRoulette is trying to load the visible
map on the screen in JOSM.

For districts, as they are relations, zoom in on the boundary. This will
make sure that JOSM download contains the relation.
Before (MapRoulette says too much area) -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gi6v65xzl9zxja/Screenshot%202017-03-24%2000.03.50.png?dl=0
After -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4hjq9lpstnkad3/Screenshot%202017-03-24%2000.04.22.png?dl=0

For cities and towns, as they are mostly nodes, zoom in on the node.
Screenshot -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/siivc2in9x70yhq/Screenshot%202017-03-24%2000.05.33.png?dl=0
If it still says too much area, just zoom in a little more!

Try these once again and let me know if it worked. If there are problems, I
will check with Martijn of MapRoulette!

Thanks for checking out challenges. Did you find them useful? Any
improvements to be done for them to make them even more efficient and
exciting?
Any other suggestions?

Cheers,
Srihari

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 at 23:49 Deepak Cherian <dpak.cher...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Srihari,
>
> Thanks a lot. I just successfully procrastinated through a morning
> searching for Indian Railway station codes.
>
> I tried doing Challenges 3,4 but MapRoulette keeps telling me that the
> areas are too large to download the data. How do I get around that?
>
> Deepak
>
> On 03/16/2017 09:55 AM, Srihari Thalla wrote:
> > I have set up these challenges as of today:
> >
> > [1] - Railway Station codes
> > [2] - Wiki tags for railway stations
> > [3] - Wiki tags for cities and towns
> > [4] - Wiki tags for districts
> >
> > -
> >
> > @Naveen I hope all the NHs are already traced and mapped [and updated to
> > the new numbering]? I'll check if Overpass QL supports regex tomorrow
> > and set up the challenges. I might need your help.
> >
> > -
> >
> > Regarding tracing roads and building in small towns and villages, I
> > noticed that more 50% of the villages were not even mapped (at least in
> > Andhra/Telangana, I didn't look at other states). I think this procedure
> > might be good:
> >
> > [a] - Place `node`s with place=village tags for untagged villages. We
> > don't know all the names, so we might want to leave the name for now.
> > [b] - Setup challenges to trace roads; and buildings
> > [c] - Work to get data about the villages (starting with their names
> > themselves)
> >
> > I can start [a] with Andhra Pradesh and Telangana
> > district-wise-alphabetically. If you are open to this idea, let me know
> > and your thoughts.
> >
> > -
> >
> > Here are the links for the Challenges [1,2,3,4]:
> >
> > [1] - Railway Station codes - http://maproulette.org/map/2403
> > <http://maproulette.org/map/2403/>
> > [2] - Wiki for Railway Stations - http://maproulette.org/map/2404
> > [3] - Wiki for cities and towns - http://maproulette.org/map/2405
> > [4] - Wiki for districts - http://maproulette.org/map/2406
> >
> > cc Arun. Need your help spreading the word :)
> > -
> >
> > I am in touch with Martijn of MapRoulette. He said he would feature our
> > challenges in the upcoming newsletter. I think the challenges above are
> > pretty easy and useful for getting people from other communities
> > interested in OSM, as Arun said.
> >
> > But tracing untraced villages would be good for featuring in his
> > newsletter. That might bring attention. What do you think?
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 at 19:23 Naveen Francis <navee...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:navee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > One more task
> >   - Add wikidata tags for Indian Highways, it has been add for about
> > 100 primary highways.
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Highways_in_India_by_highway_number#/maplink/0
> > About 200 may be remaining, finding QID is easier since it is in
> > one place :)
> >
> >
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Roads/India/National_Highways
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 March 2017 at 17:16, Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:arun.plane...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Challenge 3 and 4 could be quite interesting to get other
> > communities interested in OSM.
> >
> > For Wikidata matching, we can share the challenge with the
> > Wikimedia India chapter. Adding these tags also help make maps
> > on Wikipedia. See Naveens'
> > diary http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/naveenpf/diary/40515
> >
>

Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

[Srihari Thalla]

I have added "place=village" nodes for villages in Krishna district (AP)
traced on Bing imagery [1] [2]. I have only traced some parts of the
district and the villages count grew to ~700 and probably doubles once I
sweep thru the entire district. It took a couple of hours for mapping them
(~350 in 2 changesets).

At this rate, it would take several days to just identify unmapped villages
and then map them and several weeks to trace roads to them!

Any ideas on how we can speed this up? As Arun said, we should do it in
sprints for this process to take off.

Thoughts and ideas...

[1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47103126
[2] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47096890
[3] - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nIz
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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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Yeah, seems to make the work easy!

I am up for the script.
@Naveen Thoughts?

[1] https://github.com/mapbox/wikimama
[2] https://osmlab.github.io/wikidata-osm/
[3] https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/242 (May not include the NHs)
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Re: [Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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I have set up these challenges as of today:

[1] - Railway Station codes
[2] - Wiki tags for railway stations
[3] - Wiki tags for cities and towns
[4] - Wiki tags for districts

-

@Naveen I hope all the NHs are already traced and mapped [and updated to
the new numbering]? I'll check if Overpass QL supports regex tomorrow and
set up the challenges. I might need your help.

-

Regarding tracing roads and building in small towns and villages, I noticed
that more 50% of the villages were not even mapped (at least in
Andhra/Telangana, I didn't look at other states). I think this procedure
might be good:

[a] - Place `node`s with place=village tags for untagged villages. We don't
know all the names, so we might want to leave the name for now.
[b] - Setup challenges to trace roads; and buildings
[c] - Work to get data about the villages (starting with their names
themselves)

I can start [a] with Andhra Pradesh and Telangana
district-wise-alphabetically. If you are open to this idea, let me know and
your thoughts.

-

Here are the links for the Challenges [1,2,3,4]:

[1] - Railway Station codes - http://maproulette.org/map/2403
[2] - Wiki for Railway Stations - http://maproulette.org/map/2404
[3] - Wiki for cities and towns - http://maproulette.org/map/2405
[4] - Wiki for districts - http://maproulette.org/map/2406

cc Arun. Need your help spreading the word :)
-

I am in touch with Martijn of MapRoulette. He said he would feature our
challenges in the upcoming newsletter. I think the challenges above are
pretty easy and useful for getting people from other communities interested
in OSM, as Arun said.

But tracing untraced villages would be good for featuring in his
newsletter. That might bring attention. What do you think?

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 at 19:23 Naveen Francis  wrote:

> One more task
>   - Add wikidata tags for Indian Highways, it has been add for about 100
> primary highways.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Highways_in_India_by_highway_number#/maplink/0
> About 200 may be remaining, finding QID is easier since it is in one
> place :)
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Roads/India/National_Highways
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 March 2017 at 17:16, Arun Ganesh  wrote:
>
> Challenge 3 and 4 could be quite interesting to get other communities
> interested in OSM.
>
> For Wikidata matching, we can share the challenge with the Wikimedia India
> chapter. Adding these tags also help make maps on Wikipedia. See Naveens'
> diary http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/naveenpf/diary/40515
>
> For any railway mapping we can spread the word on IRFCA, which would get
> the railfans really excited.
>
> Srihari, if you can make the challenges, I could help spread the word. We
> could also do mapping sprints to map them together with others to knock it
> off.
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[Talk-in] Use MapRoulette to improve OSM - India data

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Hi!

Since JOSM featured MapRoulette since a couple of days, there has been a
spike in MapRoulette usage:

   1. All Challenges metrics - http://maproulette.org/ui/metrics
   2. Self-intersecting multipolygon relations (India) -
   http://maproulette.org/ui/metrics/2380

I think we can use this time to add more Indian specific challenges and
thereby improve OSM-India data!

I'm thinking of these challenges:

   1. Reverse ways with oneway = -1 (except in rare cases where direction
   of the way cannot be changed or for other reason) -
   http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nvV
   2. Trace ___ in small towns and villages
  1. Roads
  2. Buildings
   3. Wikipedia and Wikidata tags for:
   1. Cities and towns - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nvT
  2. Railway Stations - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nvU
   4. Tag railway station `ref` codes
  1. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nvR
  2. Source - http://www.indianrail.gov.in/stn_Code.html
  5. Clean horse=yes tags on highways (except where horses are
   specifically required like at hill stations) -
   http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nvW
   Question: Who set this tag for highways in the first place? Looks like
   the tags are copied from Europe?
   6. Clean redundant motor_vehicle=yes tags on major highways (not
   restricted expressways) (not where this tag is explicitly required) -
   http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nvX

Thoughts? Ideas? Improvements?

Cheers,
Srihari
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