Re: [OSM-talk] BeWelcome switches to OpenStreetMap

[Tiziano D'Angelo]

Ciao Meinhard,
I am a Bewelcome member since almost the beginning (user: tiziano). I
really like that you joined the OSM-philosophy, as it is based on the same
principles of BeWelcome. I have a suggestion to make: you may use the
MapQuest tiles, that are generated from ODbL (the new license) OSM data. It
seems to me that the CloudMade tiles are not updated, as they are generated
from the old CC-BY-SA license data. I think also that MapQuest tiles look
much better.
Thanks for your switch2osm!
Ciao
Tiziano


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM, meinhard benn wrote:

> hi everyone,
>
> i just subscribed to this list, mainly to spread some good news: the
> project i am heavily involved in, a hospitality exchange network with
> 30k members worldwide, just switched to osm. :)
>
> read more details in the press release i sent out today:
> http://www.bewelcome.org/blog/planetcruiser/1568
>
> if you feel this is interesting enough to mention on
> http://switch2osm.org/case-studies/ i am happy to answer some questions
> or write up another blog post that reveals more technical details on how
> we switched.
>
> cheers, and thanks for all the maps! :)
>
> meinhard.
> bewelcome member #202
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Re: [OSM-talk] FYI - OpenTripPlanner instance

[Tiziano D'Angelo]

Quite cool. I saw the note on the left bar. So, did you set it up as an
alternative to the official bus service information? I may do the same in
my city, Padova, Italy, where the bus company provides quite a lame service
concerning information on routes, timetables and so on...
Thanks for sharing,
Tiziano

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Mike N  wrote:

> FYI - I've finished the testing for my local instance of OpenTripPlanner
> [1] and it's ready to go live.
>
> The code I used to create the GTFS from OSM data is in SVN:
> http://svn.openstreetmap.org/**applications/utils/export/**OSM2GTFS/-
>  still very fragile, and not very informative when it doesn't like
> something about the route data.
>
> I discovered that it is very helpful to enter alternate names to help with
> search, for example:
>If "East Bay Technical College" is referred to as "Bay Tech" - "Bay
> Tech" should be in alt_name or loc_name.   I don't believe the search
> algorithm should be expanded to return more hits in this case.
>
>
>   I also included the tool to visualize travel times[2].
>
>
>
> 1: http://trip.greenvilleopenmap.**info
> 2: 
> http://trip.greenvilleopenmap.**info/opentripplanner-analyst-**client/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Error on boundaries + issues with Abkhazia/South Ossetia/disputed territories

[Tiziano D'Angelo]

Sorry to bring back this old topic...

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:56, Lennard  wrote:

> On 24-9-2010 11:38, Tiziano D'Angelo wrote:
>
> - The administrative boundary between some regions and autonomous
>> republics of North Caucasus was marked as country border [3] while it
>> should be merely an administrative one
>>
>
> Not wanting to get into border disputes, but admin_level=2 _is_ the
> national level, and 3 is subnational.
>

Found out that...the North Caucasus Republics borders within Russian
Federation are correctly tagged with admin level=3 as they are a subnational
entity (Federal District). But IMHO Mapnik shows them similarly to country
borders, this could lead to misunderstandings if one doesn't look at the
actual data...problem of the renderer???



On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:56, Kirill Bestoujev  wrote:
>The question was discussed on the Russian osm-forum, we decided to
>leave the borders as they are now, not to start a war of edits with
>Georgian osmers, as Georgia does not recognize Abkhazia or South
>Osetia as independet countries. I think it would be wise to leave it
>as it is now not to create conflicts.
>
>Kirill

2010/9/24 Tiziano D'Angelo :
> - Depending on the points of view, the border Georgia / Abkhazia [4] now
> marked as an administrative can be marked as country border. For example,
> Kosovo is marked likewise (with a country border), although not recognized
> internationally by the majority of countries (36% of the total recognize
it)
> and it isn't even listed on ISO-3166-1 / UN [5], as well as Abkhazia (4 UN
> member states recognize it).
> From a "de facto" point of view (and for some countries "de jure")
Abkhazia
> is a fully independent state from Georgia (I noticed it personally while
> there) and as far as the Georgians say, it is no longer under Georgia's
> influence or control and it will be like that also in the future. What
would
> you say to a cartographic point of view? from a tourist point of view, for
> example, it is a separate entity from Georgia (you pass a border control,
> there is a visa...), so a tourist-oriented map would logically draw it as
a
> separate country.
> Generally speaking about any kind of disputed terriories, is there any way
> to keep both POV tagging boundaries as "Disputed" / "Recognized by Some
> states"/"something else"?
> Then, if we want to develop OSM in this country, it goes without saying
that
> if locals will see the boundaries as they are now (as part of Georgia
> region, unrealistic and not corresponding to reality), they will never
agree
> to use OSM! ... while it would be reasonable to use OSM extensively, since
> for example Google has no map of Abkhazia, and instead there's something
> already on OSM.
>
> - what is the standard for naming of places? What has to be put in name,
in
> int_name tags? Which is the scale of priority? local language I suppose...
> so capital of Abkhazia, Sukhum, should be tagged as name=Аҟəа (local
> abkhazian name) name:ru=Сухум name:ka= სოხუმი , int_name=Sukhum; Sukhumi ;
> etc...
> Is there a way to simultaneously display multiple names (like Google Maps
> showing the name in Cyrillic and transliterated Russian or English
version)?

About Abkhazia, after Kosovo, I discovered North Cyprus border (de facto) is
tagged as admin_level=2, even though it is recognized by only one country in
the world, as for the draft proposal that I saw in this page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries
So the same tagging scheme could apply to Abkhazia as well, I guess. Or as
the iure status under Georgia would be autonomous republic, then level=3
Sorry to bring up again the issue, but my opinion is that all
countries/territories in the same de facto situation shall be tagged
likewise, so either admin_level = 2 for all or =4, or as compromise use
admin_level=3 in these situations. I'm happy to see that the proposal for
North Cyprus has been adopted.

Moreover, here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cyprus /
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule I found more
evidence that the scheme of naming should be the same as the mentioned
cases, so Abkhazian name in the name tag (cause it is definitely the on
ground version, and even official language for Georgia too in that de iure
autonomous republic) + all the other languages naming with their respective
tags.
In this case Abkhazian is written in cyrillic, so the international
better-known name is put into brackets next to the Abkhazian name for easier
understanding by non-Abkhazians. In fact, this exact scheme has been applied
by fellow mapper Ulrich Ludat in his edits this last month in Abkhazia.

Ulrich really made a great job 

[OSM-talk] Error on boundaries + issues with Abkhazia/South Ossetia/disputed territories

[Tiziano D'Angelo]

Hello everyone,
I am new on this list, but active on talk-it since some time, so forgive me
if this has been already discussed here...
I've been looking at the Caucasus region in where I was recently and [1] I
noticed some anomalies:

- Azerbaijan border with Georgia, but it is not marked as country but region
boundary [2] with tag: *admin_level:* 2 *border_type:* nation
*boundary:*administrative
*left: country:* GE *name:* International Border - Georgia - Azerbaijan *right:
country:* AZ . Is it some error?
- The administrative boundary between some regions and autonomous republics
of North Caucasus was marked as country border [3] while it should be merely
an administrative one

- Depending on the points of view, the border Georgia / Abkhazia [4] now
marked as an administrative can be marked as country border. For example,
Kosovo is marked likewise (with a country border), although not recognized
internationally by the majority of countries (36% of the total recognize it)
and it isn't even listed on ISO-3166-1 / UN [5], as well as Abkhazia (4 UN
member states recognize it).
>From a "de facto" point of view (and for some countries "de jure") Abkhazia
is a fully independent state from Georgia (I noticed it personally while
there) and as far as the Georgians say, it is no longer under Georgia's
influence or control and it will be like that also in the future. What would
you say to a cartographic point of view? from a tourist point of view, for
example, it is a separate entity from Georgia (you pass a border control,
there is a visa...), so a tourist-oriented map would logically draw it as a
separate country.
Generally speaking about any kind of disputed terriories, is there any way
to keep both POV tagging boundaries as "Disputed" / "Recognized by Some
states"/"something else"?
Then, if we want to develop OSM in this country, it goes without saying that
if locals will see the boundaries as they are now (as part of Georgia
region, unrealistic and not corresponding to reality), they will never agree
to use OSM! ... while it would be reasonable to use OSM extensively, since
for example Google has no map of Abkhazia, and instead there's something
already on OSM.

- what is the standard for naming of places? What has to be put in name, in
int_name tags? Which is the scale of priority? local language I suppose...
so capital of Abkhazia, Sukhum, should be tagged as name=Аҟəа (local
abkhazian name) name:ru=Сухум name:ka= სოხუმი , int_name=Sukhum; Sukhumi ;
etc...
Is there a way to simultaneously display multiple names (like Google Maps
showing the name in Cyrillic and transliterated Russian or English version)?

Thanks

Cheers
Tiziano

[1] http://osm.org/go/zVFKP--
[2] http://osm.org/go/zUWINC--
[3] http://osm.org/go/zVSvI
[4] http://osm.org/go/x...@mcdp-
[5]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Nations_Political_Boundaries
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