Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Requiring free of charge for db redistribution on Internet
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy answered that in the message you are replying to, but you edited his answer out. D'oh. Sorry about that. :-( - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Requiring free of charge for db redistribution on Internet
Hi All, I was recently, umm, persuaded to join this ML - clearly I did something wrong in a previous life :-) Forgive me if the following is inappropriate or has been discussed already, so far I've only been subjected to vast torrents of PD discussions so I'm not sure what goes on at other times! There's a few sections of the license draft[1] that I'm concerned about, and I'll start with the following. Under section 4.6 Access to Derivative Databases, it says: The Derivative Database (under a.) or alteration file (under b.) must be available at no more than a reasonable production cost for physical distributions and free of charge if distributed over the internet. I'm concerned about the latter phrase. OSM data is large and growing quickly, and bandwidth isn't free, certainly not at this scale. If we take the current case - a planet download is 4.5Gb and (for the sake of an example) Amazon S3 download costs start at USD0.17 per gigabyte, it would cost me currently 0.76 dollars per download. It's not hard to conceive of those costs being higher - bandwidth is much more expensive for some parts of the world (e.g. Africa) and if I happened to derive a db from both OSM and SRTM data (some form of cycle map, perhaps), the resultant file could be much more than 4.5Gb Given that I wouldn't want to be liable for uncapped and uncappable bandwidth charges, I would therefore only make the derivative db available on physical distributions. Is it an intended side effect of the license to discourage internet-based distribution of derivative dbs? My suggestion would be that recovering reasonable production cost should also be extended to reasonable distribution cost for internet distribution too. My idea would be that the marginal cost (i.e. the bandwidth for the given download) is recoverable, but not e.g. man hours in setting up the download server. Any thoughts? Cheers, Andy [1] http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/open_database_licence_2008-04-10_draft.pdf ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Requiring free of charge for db redistribution on Internet
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it an intended side effect of the license to discourage internet-based distribution of derivative dbs? I wouldn't have thought so. :-) My suggestion would be that recovering reasonable production cost should also be extended to reasonable distribution cost for internet distribution too. My idea would be that the marginal cost (i.e. the bandwidth for the given download) is recoverable, but not e.g. man hours in setting up the download server. Any thoughts? How much would it cost for bandwidth to serve a single copy of the current OSM DB? - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Requiring free of charge for db redistribution on Internet
Hi, Andy Allan wrote: OSM data is large and growing quickly, and bandwidth isn't free, certainly not at this scale. Good point, should be fixed. I guess the phrase came in because people had in mind the sometimes frivolous use of freedom-of-information-act liberty to charge for the information gathered which in some countries seems to keep people from making use of their rights. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Requiring free of charge for db redistribution on Internet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Myers wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it an intended side effect of the license to discourage internet-based distribution of derivative dbs? I wouldn't have thought so. :-) My suggestion would be that recovering reasonable production cost should also be extended to reasonable distribution cost for internet distribution too. My idea would be that the marginal cost (i.e. the bandwidth for the given download) is recoverable, but not e.g. man hours in setting up the download server. Any thoughts? How much would it cost for bandwidth to serve a single copy of the current OSM DB? Andy answered that in the message you are replying to, but you edited his answer out. If we take the current case - a planet download is 4.5Gb and (for the sake of an example) Amazon S3 download costs start at USD0.17 per gigabyte, it would cost me currently *0.76 dollars per download*. That could be a significant cost if you get lots of downloads. Only about 4/day would cost over $100 per month. Also, the current data is probably less than 10% of the data we aim to collect, and it is likely people will combining the data with other data, e.g. SRTM, which could be much larger. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkFv0AACgkQz+aYVHdncI1lnwCgnE656BpPWqX+Rd7s2EPx+D8h DtwAoMLVBaF1316DEQ5a/t6r708fmZxV =7JXE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
