Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
So those guys put out a legal statement and an employee even gave you his interpretation on this list, which you can cite in court if you want. I think you're pretty solid and it feels like people are just looking for problems no matter what is done or said. :-( Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 16, 2011, at 0:44, Nick Hocking wrote: > My understanding is that Nearmap wish all contributions to OSM, by any mapper > who has agreed to the CT, derived from their imagery (before the 17th June > 2011) to be able to be relicenced by OSMF under any licence it (OSMF) chooses > at any time. > > However I also can't see exactly how the published statement meets this wish. > > Nick > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-t...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: > > Hi all > As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap > regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. Dear Ben, Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
+1 Much appreciated, both the statement itself and Ben's efforts to get it. Mike On 15/06/2011 03:36, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: Hi all As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. Dear Ben, Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
2011/6/15 Ben Last > > * > > > > All such additions or edits submitted to OSM prior to 17 June 2011 may be > held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and > the individual which submitted the addition or edit at the relevant time. > > > * > I absolutely do not want to be a fly in the ointment here, but what this paragraph literally means is that OSM can do with those edits just those things which it was permitted to do by the individual contributor (and therefore under the terms to which that contributor agreed) prior to 17 June 2011. If that individual's agreement was restricted to a CC-BY-SA licence then OSM is unlikely to be able to then use the nearmap contributions under ODbL. Maybe that is what is understood in this thread, or maybe the context somehow says that this paragraph doesn't mean what it appears to mean, but I thought it was worth saying. That it was drafted, carefully, by a lawyer I do not doubt. But lawyers draft things on instruction to achieve particular goals. My understanding from Ben's comment is that one of the goals of nearmap is that derived works are distributed only under CC-BY-SA. The second paragraph does that job well as far as I can see and prevents OSM from relicensing nearmap data under ODbL. All this is, of course, on the assumption that any intellectual property rights require licensing. -- Francis Davey ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 10:39 +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: > >> > >> Hi all > >> As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from > >> NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. > > > > Dear Ben, > > > > Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's > > contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous > > decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. > > Does it? I haven't agreed to the CTs, therefore my NearMap tracings > are CC-BY-SA, and hence will be purged from the database in Phase 5. Bens statement said: "may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual" In other words, nearmap allows you to make your own mind up in regards to derived data youve contributed. If you havent agreed to CTs, then your work will be removed, but if you wish to agree you are now not breaching any existing rights. So I guess that cuts down the amount of dirty data OSM will have in their DB, it doesnt remove it completely, but there seems to be no interest in a 100% clean db, as long as 99% is good enough. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On 15 June 2011 11:56, David Murn wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 10:39 +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: >> On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait wrote: >> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all >> >> As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from >> >> NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. >> > >> > Dear Ben, >> > >> > Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's >> > contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous >> > decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. >> >> Does it? I haven't agreed to the CTs, therefore my NearMap tracings >> are CC-BY-SA, and hence will be purged from the database in Phase 5. > > Bens statement said: > > "may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place > between OSM and the individual" > > In other words, nearmap allows you to make your own mind up in regards > to derived data youve contributed. If you havent agreed to CTs, then > your work will be removed, but if you wish to agree you are now not > breaching any existing rights. So I guess that cuts down the amount of > dirty data OSM will have in their DB, it doesnt remove it completely, > but there seems to be no interest in a 100% clean db, as long as 99% is > good enough. The words immediately following that quote are quite relevant: "may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual which submitted the addition or edit at the relevant time." So only contributions a user made after the CT/ODbL was agreed to by that user (and before June 17 2011) can be kept. James Andrewartha ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap
On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last wrote: >> >> Hi all >> As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from >> NearMap regarding submission of derived works of our PhotoMaps to OSM. > > Dear Ben, > > Thank you for providing this clear statement, for NearMap's > contributions to the OpenStreetMap community, and for the generous > decision to allow current NearMap-referenced data to remain in OSM. Does it? I haven't agreed to the CTs, therefore my NearMap tracings are CC-BY-SA, and hence will be purged from the database in Phase 5. James Andrewartha ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
