Re: [OSM-talk] Different tile numbers in MapTiler than othe r tile sets

2010-05-11 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Andy Allan  gmail.com> writes:


> 
> We've been ignoring Open Source GIS standards since forever, because
> they generally suck. Note the lack of WMS and/or WFS-T running on any
> of our servers 

There is for sure place for both the native OSM systems and OGC standard
services. Actually the difference is not always so big. For example the whole
Mapnik rendering chain is just plain GIS stuff once a subset of OSM data and
tags are first imported into PostGIS database with osm2pgsql. After running WMS
and WFS services with OSM data for couple of years now I would say that are 
both very usable. However, free tagging and geometries with topology are both
valuable features in OSM and they cannot be handled with OGC simple feature 
model.
 
> This reminds me of sitting around with various OSGeo+OCG people at
> FOSS4G in Cape Town, with them all berating their own standards for
> being overcomplicated and impossible to implement! We've got nothing
> to be ashamed of by focussing on doing things better.

Well, WFS and WFS-T are indeed a bit tricky and developers have had different
interpretations about what the standard says. However, the situation is much
better now than couple of years ago, and learning to master WFS if not not any
harder than learning to tag OSM cycleways or how to edit advanced multipolygons
and big route relations withour breaking them.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Different tile numbers in MapTiler than othe r tile sets

2010-05-11 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Andy Allan  gmail.com> writes:

> gdal2tiles, and probably MapTiler too, produce OGC-approved,
> industry-standard "TMS" tiles, which are numbered from bottom left.
> Over here in the real world, everyone else uses tiles numbered from
> the top left. That's almost certainly the problem.
> 
> I don't know how to fix it for you, but maybe look for an option "(x)
> ignore the standards when the standards are wrong" option in MapTiler?

TMS standard comes originally from the Open source GIS world, see
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Tile_Map_Service_Specification. Are you suggesting to
ignore Open source when industry starts to accept the same concepts :)

-Jukka Rahkonen-


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