Personally I’m against separate mapping for the following reasons:
1. A highway/road shouldn’t be considered only for motor vehicles by default. 2. I don’t see any routing advantages to mapping it separately. If anything it makes the better cycleways, like the Dun Laoghaire coastal route, harder to find. 3. The area in question was around Adamstown - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/53.33068/-6.45455, it was hard to see other features with three bridges, when in reality there is only one. With a Garmin device it was worse. 4. Some of the paths and cycleways tagged as part of the highway precede the individual paths. On a different point the other user said he checked with the OSM Telegram account and people said it was ok to map separately. I don’t think it’s great to have two different places to discuss issues, or at the very least publish what was decided on the wiki so that people know what decisions were made. Dafo Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows ________________________________ From: Colm Moore <colmmoor...@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 4:18:12 PM To: Donal Hunt <donal.h...@openstreetmap.ie>; davefo...@hotmail.com <davefo...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mapping of footpaths and cycleways Hi, This is off-list again. I'm preparing some notes. Can just the two of you send me some reasons to map / not map sidewalks? Thank you Colm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead ________________________________ From: Colm Moore <colmmoor...@hotmail.com> Sent: 10 February 2023 14:10 To: Donal Hunt <donal.h...@openstreetmap.ie>; davefo...@hotmail.com <davefo...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mapping of footpaths and cycleways Hi, This is off-list. It happens in places. Sometimes it is messy, sometimes it is trying to solve complicated situations. I'll come back with a fuller answer later. Colm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead ________________________________ From: Donal Hunt <donal.h...@openstreetmap.ie> Sent: 10 February 2023 13:28 To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk...@openstreetmap.org>; colmmoor...@hotmail.com <colmmoor...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mapping of footpaths and cycleways Hi Dave! Thanks for raising this. These are the type of quality issues we are hoping for the Quality Working Group (yet to be formally launched) to take a role in. I've CCed Colm who has worked on lots of quality issues over time and may be able to contribute to this discussion. Do we know how widespread the issue is? There have been a few academic efforts in small geographic areas to map paths separately to capture access data. In relation to how to proceed from here: with the increased funding for walking and cycling during the current government, there is a lot of interest in capturing data of completed projects, etc. I personally think that separate mapping makes sense if there are people willing to put the work in to capture and maintain it. There are lots of corner cases involving infrastructure being installed in a manner which results in separate mapping making sense. I would suggest the following next steps: - Discussion on best practice / community consensus on how to map (this email thread) - Update of wiki documentation - Data analysis to understand where these issues exist - Cleanup tasks (via task manager) Thoughts? Comments? Donal On Fri 10 Feb 2023, 13:07 Dave Foley, <davefo...@hotmail.com<mailto:davefo...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Hi, An issue came up with the mapping of paths next to roads. If recall correctly it was on the wiki (or possibly somewhere else) that it was agreed to only map paths that were not beside a road or where there was cycleway running counter-flow to traffic. At some point people started mapping paths individually and now we have a mix of where the ‘sidewalk’ is mapped in the highway tag and some individual paths. Admittedly the wiki allows for both, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sidewalks<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FSidewalks&data=05%7C01%7C%7C6452d2b5f8cd4a9275a108db0b6ac19d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638116325354180695%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NdALtON3TrvZGAATeT2iwJCmyobuu6pP%2BclPXBn6pco%3D&reserved=0> , but I don’t remember a discussion on changing to individual path mapping. So if it was discussed and a decision was made can the Ireland wiki page be updated with this? If there is no consensus currently then I think it would better to reach one now. 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