Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODBL vote (was Re: Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people)

2010-08-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst

[Apologies for continuing cross-post, please follow-up to OSM legal-talk.]

Sam Vekemans wrote:


So my question is weather or not, at a later date,  I
can change my choice (based on new information which would want me to
change my mind).?


As a general point, if you declare that something is public domain  
(say, by a CC0 declaration), you can't reverse it  
_for_that_particular_work_. You have already granted rights for people  
to distribute it without infringing.


You can, of course, declare that your future works will be licensed  
differently.


In the specific case of the OSM database, if you wanted to start doing  
this, you would probably need to establish a per-object licensing  
flag. This would require significant code changes and I assume you're  
not volunteering to do that.


I would suggest therefore that the best way to do that is for you to  
maintain two accounts, one PD and one not. Certainly this is what I  
intend to do, so that I can use the latter for any future substantial  
mapping from attribution-required sources (e.g. OS OpenData). That  
said, substantial mapping if you haven't been there is bad anyway. ;)


cheers
Richard (official OSM PITAFL)


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODBL vote (was Re: Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people)

2010-08-12 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thread closed:

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
 [Apologies for continuing cross-post, please follow-up to OSM legal-talk.]

 Sam Vekemans wrote:

 So my question is weather or not, at a later date,  I
 can change my choice (based on new information which would want me to
 change my mind).?

 As a general point, if you declare that something is public domain (say,
 by a CC0 declaration), you can't reverse it _for_that_particular_work_. You
 have already granted rights for people to distribute it without infringing.

 You can, of course, declare that your future works will be licensed
 differently.

 In the specific case of the OSM database, if you wanted to start doing this,
 you would probably need to establish a per-object licensing flag. This would
 require significant code changes and I assume you're not volunteering to do
 that.

 I would suggest therefore that the best way to do that is for you to
 maintain two accounts, one PD and one not. Certainly this is what I intend
 to do, so that I can use the latter for any future substantial mapping from
 attribution-required sources (e.g. OS OpenData). That said, substantial
 mapping if you haven't been there is bad anyway. ;)

 cheers
 Richard (official OSM PITAFL)



Thanks, I have 2 accounts and can easily make the preference clear in
my user profile description.

So this solves the issue,

Thanks,
Sam

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODBL vote (was Re: Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people)

2010-08-12 Thread MP
  In the specific case of the OSM database, if you wanted to start doing
 this, you would probably need to establish a per-object licensing flag. This
 would require significant code changes and I assume you're not volunteering
 to do that.

We can assume that user won't change his/her mind too often, so for
each user we need just maintain a list like:

edits from 1. 1. 2004 to 10. 12. 2008 are PD
edits from 10.12.2008 to 7. 11. 2009 are only Odbl
edits from 7. 11. 2009 to now are PD

... we get few lines in DB for this variable licensing, and not
license tag for each of user's object in database (which could be
thousands, perhaps even millions of edited primitives for very active
users)

... it is then problem of whoever wants to extract PD subset from the
data to parse this information and extract really only the PD data ...

Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODBL vote (was Re: Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people)

2010-08-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 August 2010 21:06, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, I have 2 accounts and can easily make the preference clear in
 my user profile description.

Will there be a process to transfer ownership of a changeset between
accounts if data is submitted under the wrong account?

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] ODBL vote (was Re: Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people)

2010-08-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 August 2010 21:52, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote:
  In the specific case of the OSM database, if you wanted to start doing
 this, you would probably need to establish a per-object licensing flag. This
 would require significant code changes and I assume you're not volunteering
 to do that.

 We can assume that user won't change his/her mind too often, so for
 each user we need just maintain a list like:

 edits from 1. 1. 2004 to 10. 12. 2008 are PD
 edits from 10.12.2008 to 7. 11. 2009 are only Odbl
 edits from 7. 11. 2009 to now are PD

Wouldn't it be better to just add a single tag about license to the
changeset only if it differs from the users default setting?

That way people wouldn't need to change back and forth for a single
changeset every now and then.

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