Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Revert a changeset

2009-08-19 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/18 Teemu Koskinen teemu.koski...@mbnet.fi:
 There still seems to be some problem, the way
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39175980 still goes across the
 Atlantic, but it looks different than before.

I just removed the way and it's nodes, I'm pretty sure it did not
serve any purpose, it was a duplicate of a riverbank's outline but
tagged with addr:interpolation= and the nodes had addr:housenumber=.
I don't know how you can work with objects so distant in a single
changeset in potlatch, or how you'd move a node that far.

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Revert a changeset

2009-08-18 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/18 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com:
 On 18 Aug 2009, at 14:57, Teemu Koskinen wrote:
 Could somebody please revert this changeset:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2168210

 The moving of the nodes across the Atlantic is obviously wrong.

 Do check out this page for guidance and the email address for requests
 to the data working group.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism

 Note that I have been working on this page today and have added a
 section for 'speedy response' in cases where a failure to respond
 within hours could lead to highly visible damage to the rendered maps
 or changes in sensitive areas (for example Washington - particularly
 sensitive given the support and visibility given to OSM by the
 Whitehouse).

Note that most incorrect edits spanning more than a few nodes need a
speedy response because soon people start making edits on top of the
unwanted changeset and reverting it becomes more difficult.

Since I had the setup for this ready, I reverted the changeset 2168210
in my changeset
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2192016
but I had to make a couple of edits before uploading it:

* xybot had helpfully made an edit on top of some of the nodes
removing a spurious tag and causing conflicts.
* I did not revert the creation of node 469327157 (a parking) which
seems genuine.
* Something really strange: node
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/270798013/history is edited
two times inside the same changesets and revert.pl didn't deal
correctly with this.


 Personally I think we need a huge effort to be ready for damaging
 vandalism and much better tools to spot potential errors in a much
 more sophisticated way.

Agreed.

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Revert a changeset

2009-08-18 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:48:03 +0300, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com  
wrote:

 2009/8/18 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com:
 On 18 Aug 2009, at 14:57, Teemu Koskinen wrote:
 Could somebody please revert this changeset:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2168210

 The moving of the nodes across the Atlantic is obviously wrong.

 Do check out this page for guidance and the email address for requests
 to the data working group.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism


I don't think this case was deliberate vandalism, other edits from the  
user seems to be good.

 Note that I have been working on this page today and have added a
 section for 'speedy response' in cases where a failure to respond
 within hours could lead to highly visible damage to the rendered maps
 or changes in sensitive areas (for example Washington - particularly
 sensitive given the support and visibility given to OSM by the
 Whitehouse).

 Note that most incorrect edits spanning more than a few nodes need a
 speedy response because soon people start making edits on top of the
 unwanted changeset and reverting it becomes more difficult.


What we need, as has been previously discussed on the list, is a similar  
mechanism that wikipedia has that will revert an edit easily, maybe even  
 from the website ui.

 Since I had the setup for this ready, I reverted the changeset 2168210
 in my changeset
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2192016
 but I had to make a couple of edits before uploading it:

 * xybot had helpfully made an edit on top of some of the nodes
 removing a spurious tag and causing conflicts.
 * I did not revert the creation of node 469327157 (a parking) which
 seems genuine.
 * Something really strange: node
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/270798013/history is edited
 two times inside the same changesets and revert.pl didn't deal
 correctly with this.


There still seems to be some problem, the way  
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39175980 still goes across the  
Atlantic, but it looks different than before.



 Personally I think we need a huge effort to be ready for damaging
 vandalism and much better tools to spot potential errors in a much
 more sophisticated way.

 Agreed.


I spotted this with the Geofabriks OSM Inspector, but that's still a bit  
too slow to update, it would be much better if it updated at least hourly  
or even from the minute diffs.

The revert tools should also be made to look what exactly was modified in  
the changeset. Eg. if a node was moved, but tags were left untouched, and  
after that someone else modified only the tags but didn't move the node,  
reverting the first change should only move the node back to it's original  
position and not change the tags back as those were changed by someone  
else.


Teemu Koskinen

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