Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
On 05/25/2010 02:59 AM, Aun Johnsen wrote: Hi, Pointing out specific names on roads around guarapari that have been rendered after I have put them into OSM is about point out all the road names they render. Also seeing that minor connecting roads that i have surveyed are identical in Yahoo and OSM while some major roads I havn't surveyed are equally missing indicates that they have no other reliable source for their data. Following your provided links I can see that Yahoo has a lot more roads with names than OSM. Have they already switched to Nokia? Copyright info already says it is Navteq(=Nokia). Do you have older screenshot of Yahoo map? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Paulius Zaleckas paulius.zalec...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/25/2010 02:59 AM, Aun Johnsen wrote: Hi, Pointing out specific names on roads around guarapari that have been rendered after I have put them into OSM is about point out all the road names they render. Also seeing that minor connecting roads that i have surveyed are identical in Yahoo and OSM while some major roads I havn't surveyed are equally missing indicates that they have no other reliable source for their data. Following your provided links I can see that Yahoo has a lot more roads with names than OSM. Have they already switched to Nokia? Copyright info already says it is Navteq(=Nokia). Do you have older screenshot of Yahoo map? From my recollection, Yahoo never had its own data in the same way that Google has its own data. Yahoo has always had the NAVTEQ and TeleAtlas attribution on its road maps base layer (except for the areas where they directly use OSM data (and attribute us)). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Paulius Zaleckas paulius.zalec...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/25/2010 02:59 AM, Aun Johnsen wrote: Hi, Pointing out specific names on roads around guarapari that have been rendered after I have put them into OSM is about point out all the road names they render. Also seeing that minor connecting roads that i have surveyed are identical in Yahoo and OSM while some major roads I havn't surveyed are equally missing indicates that they have no other reliable source for their data. Following your provided links I can see that Yahoo has a lot more roads with names than OSM. Have they already switched to Nokia? Copyright info already says it is Navteq(=Nokia). Do you have older screenshot of Yahoo map? From my recollection, Yahoo never had its own data in the same way that Google has its own data. Yahoo has always had the NAVTEQ and TeleAtlas attribution on its road maps base layer (except for the areas where they directly use OSM data (and attribute us)). I have no older screenshots, and cannot remember if they have atributed OSM in that area. The strongest evidence that they have used OSM data in this area is that thin grey road leading from the coast just south of the city to the bypass highway a little inland. This is a small local way of low quality, dirt surface (it is actually earth, no gracel or anything), and is not usable as a shortcut. A ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
On 25 May 2010 15:12, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: From my recollection, Yahoo never had its own data in the same way that Google has its own data. Yahoo has always had the NAVTEQ and TeleAtlas attribution on its road maps base layer (except for the areas where they directly use OSM data (and attribute us)). Yes, Yahoo never had any data. They always used Navteq. On that front, nothing has changed. Google only started to get their own data recently but previously they were using both Navteq and TA. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
Aun Johnsen wrote: I do not know if they REALLY have copied from OSM or if it is coencidential, but until otherwise proven, I hold a finger on them using OSM data. That is a REALLY stupid statement. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
Nokia will be the exclusive, global provider of Yahoo!'s maps and navigation services http://yhoo.client.shareholder.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=472765 Nokia, of course, owns data provider Navteq, which in the grand scheme of things is a rival to OSM. Yahoo! currently offers OSM the right to trace from its satellite imagery. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
But if Yahoo is to withdraw the right to trace their satelite images, than their usage of OSM map data can be a breach of the CC-BY-SA copyright on OSM. Yes, Yahoo maps uses OSM data to correct/extend their caverage, at least in certain areas: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=mlat=-20.688081lon=-40.53262zoom=14 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-20.6881lon=-40.5326zoom=13layers=B000FTF Some of the minor connecting roads around Guarapari is surveyd by me and appeared on the yahoo map a few weeks later. Some road names have been rendered only after I entered them in OSM, and some roads or parts of roads have changed category after I have surveyd them for OSM. A[] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
Hi, Aun Johnsen wrote: But if Yahoo is to withdraw the right to trace their satelite images, than their usage of OSM map data can be a breach of the CC-BY-SA copyright on OSM. If they did indeed use OSM to fixe their map then CC-BY-SA would extend to their map, not their images, and they would be in breach of the license even today. Nothing whatsoever to do with aerial imagery. Plus, if they switch to Nokia they'll throw their existing data out so even if it *had* beeen CC-BY-SA infected that would then go down the drain as well. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
Can you point out some specific road names that Yahoo have copied from OSM? Following those links to the zoomed out area I am only drawn to roads which are only in Yahoo. If Yahoo are copying OSM then I believe (without having attribution) they are in breach of OSM terms regardless of what they give us. Nobody has the ability to offer OSM without attribution. On 24 May 2010 21:04, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: But if Yahoo is to withdraw the right to trace their satelite images, than their usage of OSM map data can be a breach of the CC-BY-SA copyright on OSM. Yes, Yahoo maps uses OSM data to correct/extend their caverage, at least in certain areas: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=mlat=-20.688081lon=-40.53262zoom=14 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-20.6881lon=-40.5326zoom=13layers=B000FTF Some of the minor connecting roads around Guarapari is surveyd by me and appeared on the yahoo map a few weeks later. Some road names have been rendered only after I entered them in OSM, and some roads or parts of roads have changed category after I have surveyd them for OSM. A[] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
On 25 May 2010 06:17, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you point out some specific road names that Yahoo have copied from OSM? Wasn't it Flickr doing the copying? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
Hi, Pointing out specific names on roads around guarapari that have been rendered after I have put them into OSM is about point out all the road names they render. Also seeing that minor connecting roads that i have surveyed are identical in Yahoo and OSM while some major roads I havn't surveyed are equally missing indicates that they have no other reliable source for their data. I do not know if they REALLY have copied from OSM or if it is coencidential, but until otherwise proven, I hold a finger on them using OSM data. I have thought that they could sort of utilise our data under CC-BY since they trade with us using their satellite images, but I am no law expert, so my thoughts there might be wrong. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Aun Johnsen wrote: But if Yahoo is to withdraw the right to trace their satelite images, than their usage of OSM map data can be a breach of the CC-BY-SA copyright on OSM. If they did indeed use OSM to fixe their map then CC-BY-SA would extend to their map, not their images, and they would be in breach of the license even today. Nothing whatsoever to do with aerial imagery. Plus, if they switch to Nokia they'll throw their existing data out so even if it *had* beeen CC-BY-SA infected that would then go down the drain as well. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 6:49 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 25 May 2010 06:17, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you point out some specific road names that Yahoo have copied from OSM? Wasn't it Flickr doing the copying? There have been several cases where Flickr shows OSM data in its geolocation map when Yahoo Maps doesn't have data. For example: http://www.flickr.com/map/?fLat=18.567503fLon=-72.332611zl=5 They give proper attribution... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo Maps to be provided by Nokia
I just got round to reading the blog/PR post about it, they said: Nokia will be the exclusive, global provider of Yahoo!’s maps and navigation services, integrating Ovi Maps across Yahoo! properties, branded as “powered by Ovi.” Doesn't sound like yahoo will be retaining any of their existing map data to me. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
