Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
Mike writes: > but there should be some way to give proper attribution to real > persons who contribute to OpenStreetMap. We have a wiki, I think. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/credits is currently empty, but we can certainly put in a mapping from "real person" to OSM username. I won't be bothering to do that, but I won't delete it if someone adds it. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
Simon Poole wrote: Well forgetting about the minor issue that we don't have access to the real names, I don't see any reason why you couldn't build a service that given a bounding box returns a list of contributors in that area. The easy way would be to take a full history planet dump and produce a static DB of contributors from than (see Pascal Neis hdyc service) it would be a bit more tricky to keep it up date automatically but completely doable if you want to undertake the effort, more power to you. And half an hour latter the basis for that is on line - Thanks Ilya -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
2012/9/29 Mike : > Each time I fix something and then OpenStreetMap shows me as an author makes > me feel bad. Someone else did hard work and I get all glory just because of > minor fix, although even that is visible only to map editors, not to the > wide public. > Replace "author" by "last modifier", and it will be closer to reality. I don't consider myself as an author when I contribute to OSM. I'm adding data in a database, and these data are factual ones, not things I created with my imagination. All together we're pushing the project forward like ants building a huge ant-hill. Now that we are in the ODbL logic, all the history of object is there to allow tracing, not to give attribution to individuals. > This all is contrary to attribution OpenStreetMap demands for itself on > every occasion. It is an attribution to the ant-hill as a group. -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
Am 28.09.2012 18:16, schrieb Mike: > Let's say, someone prepares data by recording it in the field, and > then adds another value to data by sorting it out, fixing it and > adding more information and details. And then he wants to include that > data to OpenStreetMap. > > What is mean of giving proper author attribution? All I can see is > that OpenStreetMap is presented in copyright notes, not actual > authors. The only way I found out to see author attribution is to > download openstreet data and then search there. > > I understand that making attribution to all authors at once is problem > due to large number of involved authors, but there should be some way > to give proper attribution to real persons who contribute to > OpenStreetMap. Well forgetting about the minor issue that we don't have access to the real names, I don't see any reason why you couldn't build a service that given a bounding box returns a list of contributors in that area. The easy way would be to take a full history planet dump and produce a static DB of contributors from than (see Pascal Neis hdyc service) it would be a bit more tricky to keep it up date automatically but completely doable if you want to undertake the effort, more power to you. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
On 28.09.12. 18:58, Stephan Knauss wrote: we recently switched the license from CC-BY-SA to ODbL. With this new license the single author no longer needs attribution. What do you mean by that? Authorship is denied? The very essence of authorship laws is that author has rights to get attribution for his work. Making maps is hard and expensive work and denying or hiding authorship is injustice to all these people who are creating OpenStreetMap for free. When people contribute to OpenStreetMaps it is not like they just typed in some text or scanned document. Creating maps is the real authorship work that demands knowledge, dedication and lots of resources. People who are willing to do that do not deserve anonymity except if they choose so. In case you want to know the history of a single element there is no need to download the data set, you can query it on the web interface. For example here for the node ID 1: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1/history I know how to get to that info and I think this is wrong way. It looks like OpenStreetMap tries to make this information as hard to get es possible. Now everyone knows how to use OpenStreetMaps. Authorship laws require that authorship is easily available. 2012/9/28 Mike : > We had this attribution at least in one of the two "official" > renderings some years ago (I think it was Osmarender, but I am not > sure IIRR). In very high zoom levels the streets had a notice about > the username of the last editor. I think this was not continued > because it might have incentivated some people of doing trivial edits > just to have their name shown up. I never understood that policy of attributing the last editor. Each time I fix something and then OpenStreetMap shows me as an author makes me feel bad. Someone else did hard work and I get all glory just because of minor fix, although even that is visible only to map editors, not to the wide public. This all is contrary to attribution OpenStreetMap demands for itself on every occasion. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
2012/9/28 Mike : > I understand that making attribution to all authors at once is problem due > to large number of involved authors, but there should be some way to give > proper attribution to real persons who contribute to OpenStreetMap. We had this attribution at least in one of the two "official" renderings some years ago (I think it was Osmarender, but I am not sure IIRR). In very high zoom levels the streets had a notice about the username of the last editor. I think this was not continued because it might have incentivated some people of doing trivial edits just to have their name shown up. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
Hello Mike, On 28.09.2012 18:16, Mike wrote: What is mean of giving proper author attribution? All I can see is that OpenStreetMap is presented in copyright notes, not actual authors. The only way I found out to see author attribution is to download openstreet data and then search there. we recently switched the license from CC-BY-SA to ODbL. With this new license the single author no longer needs attribution. In case you want to know the history of a single element there is no need to download the data set, you can query it on the web interface. For example here for the node ID 1: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1/history Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] About attribution to authors
Let's say, someone prepares data by recording it in the field, and then adds another value to data by sorting it out, fixing it and adding more information and details. And then he wants to include that data to OpenStreetMap. What is mean of giving proper author attribution? All I can see is that OpenStreetMap is presented in copyright notes, not actual authors. The only way I found out to see author attribution is to download openstreet data and then search there. I understand that making attribution to all authors at once is problem due to large number of involved authors, but there should be some way to give proper attribution to real persons who contribute to OpenStreetMap. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
