[OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Hi,I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the routing implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of CloudMade ( http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as well.Am I allowed to use the same ? I have however,seen many organizations under GSoC'09 making use of APIs from Google/Yahoo! .. Just wondering.. Thanks .. Rajan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
On Mar 28, 2009, at 9:50 AM, rajan vaish wrote: > I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the > routing implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of > CloudMade ( http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as > well.Am I allowed to use the same ? I have however,seen many > organizations under GSoC'09 making use of APIs from Google/Yahoo! .. > Just wondering.. Why wouldn't you be able to use documented APIs? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Hi, rajan vaish wrote: > Hi,I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the routing > implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of CloudMade ( > http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as well.Am I allowed > to use the same ? I don't see why not. It is true that CloudMade say you may use their site "solely for your personal use", whereas Google say any software you produce must be licensed under an OSI approved license (i.e. you cannot produce software licensed as "only for personal use"). But you can simply pass on this restriction to the users of your software: The software you make is free for use/inspection/modification by anybody as per the OSI compliant license you choose, but if people then use your software to access the CloudMade site then they may only do so for their personal use. As you correctly point out, the situation is similar to GSoc students writing software that interacts with Google Maps. Whether or not the OSM project accepts and endorses a proposal for a GSoC project that will only work using the services of CloudMade (which are outside the control of the OSM project) is of course another matter, but I guess if it is something seriously cool then nobody will ask many questions. I believe that CloudMade used to have a developer sponsorship programme of their own where they handed out grants for the development of OSM-related software, so that might be another avenue for you to follow up (but you should really ask them directly as it has been a while since this was last mentioned). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Rajan + list, This one is from written with my CloudMade keyboard ;-) Just to be clear the "Personal Use" parts of the CloudMade T&Cs refer to the site contents and use of the website - cloudmade.com, rather than any of the APIs and web service. You, and everyone else are welcome to use CloudMade's APIs, web services and the documentation provided on the site in personal, public or business uses. Which CloudMade libraries are you particularly interested in using? The Ruby, Python and Java libs are all open source (L-GPL) and we're happy to support anyone who'd like to develop libraries in other languages. Libraries T&Cs (L-GPL) - http://www.cloudmade.com/products/libraries_apis/terms_of_use Website T&Cs - http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions Web Maps Lite (Jacascript library) T&Cs - http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-lite/terms Hope this clarifies things for you. Nick On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > rajan vaish wrote: > > Hi,I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the routing > > implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of CloudMade ( > > http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as well.Am I > allowed > > to use the same ? > > I don't see why not. > > It is true that CloudMade say you may use their site "solely for your > personal use", whereas Google say any software you produce must be > licensed under an OSI approved license (i.e. you cannot produce software > licensed as "only for personal use"). > > But you can simply pass on this restriction to the users of your > software: The software you make is free for use/inspection/modification > by anybody as per the OSI compliant license you choose, but if people > then use your software to access the CloudMade site then they may only > do so for their personal use. > > As you correctly point out, the situation is similar to GSoc students > writing software that interacts with Google Maps. > > Whether or not the OSM project accepts and endorses a proposal for a > GSoC project that will only work using the services of CloudMade (which > are outside the control of the OSM project) is of course another matter, > but I guess if it is something seriously cool then nobody will ask many > questions. > > I believe that CloudMade used to have a developer sponsorship programme > of their own where they handed out grants for the development of > OSM-related software, so that might be another avenue for you to follow > up (but you should really ask them directly as it has been a while since > this was last mentioned). > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Hi, Nick Black wrote: > Just to be clear the "Personal Use" parts of the CloudMade T&Cs refer to the > site contents and use of the website - cloudmade.com, rather than any of the > APIs and web service. You, and everyone else are welcome to use CloudMade's > APIs, web services and the documentation provided on the site in personal, > public or business uses. Sorry for misrepresenting that then! I read about the "personal use" in the Ts and Cs and thought "well it cannot probably mean that they don't want business users to look at their web page so it must mean the tiles/services/APIs". It would be great if you could link to > http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-lite/terms > http://www.cloudmade.com/products/libraries_apis/terms_of_use from > http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions because the latter is the one that you find when you google for "cloudmade terms and conditions"! Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Nick Black wrote: > >> Just to be clear the "Personal Use" parts of the CloudMade T&Cs refer to >> the >> site contents and use of the website - cloudmade.com, rather than any of >> the >> APIs and web service. You, and everyone else are welcome to use >> CloudMade's >> APIs, web services and the documentation provided on the site in personal, >> public or business uses. >> > > Sorry for misrepresenting that then! I read about the "personal use" in the > Ts and Cs and thought "well it cannot probably mean that they don't want > business users to look at their web page so it must mean the > tiles/services/APIs". No problem :-) > > > It would be great if you could link to > > http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-lite/terms >> http://www.cloudmade.com/products/libraries_apis/terms_of_use >> > > from > > http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions >> > > because the latter is the one that you find when you google for "cloudmade > terms and conditions"! Good feedback - we could definitely make the T&Cs more clear. Cheers, > > > Bye > Frederik > > -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Thank you everybody,That's a great help.I am comfortable to choose any language for the same,may be it will depend on what language my mentor is comfortable with (if I get accepted).I am keen to develop direction tool for visually impaired people (and general users for sure).Have submitted the proposal now. Thanks again :) Rajan On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Nick Black wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Nick Black wrote: >> >>> Just to be clear the "Personal Use" parts of the CloudMade T&Cs refer to >>> the >>> site contents and use of the website - cloudmade.com, rather than any of >>> the >>> APIs and web service. You, and everyone else are welcome to use >>> CloudMade's >>> APIs, web services and the documentation provided on the site in >>> personal, >>> public or business uses. >>> >> >> Sorry for misrepresenting that then! I read about the "personal use" in >> the Ts and Cs and thought "well it cannot probably mean that they don't want >> business users to look at their web page so it must mean the >> tiles/services/APIs". > > > No problem :-) > >> >> >> It would be great if you could link to >> >> http://developers.cloudmade.com/projects/web-maps-lite/terms >>> http://www.cloudmade.com/products/libraries_apis/terms_of_use >>> >> >> from >> >> http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions >>> >> >> because the latter is the one that you find when you google for "cloudmade >> terms and conditions"! > > > Good feedback - we could definitely make the T&Cs more clear. > > Cheers, > > >> >> >> Bye >> Frederik >> >> > > > -- > -- > Nick Black > twitter.com/nick_b > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
