Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:56:53AM -0800, Dan Putler wrote: house number addressing in OSM, it was very useful. Given the related, and very active, addressing thread, it sounds like several issues need to be ironed out before there is a final OSM addressing scheme. From a I never expect there to be one final addressing scheme. The Karlsruhe scheme was intended as: We start here in Karlsruhe with something that might work for us. If it also works for you thats fine, if not maybe you can amend it, if it still doesn't fit, come up with something entirely new. So far the scheme has seen some amendments and has more than 900 users who have used it. We'll see where it goes. practical point of view, it should be possible to do street intersection geocoding using OSM data as it currently exists, but the use of OSM data for other forms of geocoding is a work in progress. What exactly do you want to do that doesn't work yet? Jochen -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
Hi Jochen, The purpose for my inquiry on this topic was to see if there was an area that has been extensively addressed, and could be used for the demonstration site we are trying to develop for PAGC. Based on the thread, it appears the Karlsruhe is the most extensively addressed area at this point, but only a fairly small proportion of it has been addressed at this point, too small a proportion to be used for the PAGC demonstration site at this moment (this will likely change in the future as more of the city is addressed). This was really the upshot of my comment about using OSM for geocoding being a work in progress. As I know you are aware, postal addresses are very messy things, that differ from country to country (and even jurisdiction to jurisdiction in some cases). As a result, I think you are correct that a one size fits all tagging scheme will never be developed (or would even be desirable). Having said this, from a data user point of view, keeping the number of different schemes to the minimal acceptable number really makes life easier. Dan On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 11:52 +0100, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:56:53AM -0800, Dan Putler wrote: house number addressing in OSM, it was very useful. Given the related, and very active, addressing thread, it sounds like several issues need to be ironed out before there is a final OSM addressing scheme. From a I never expect there to be one final addressing scheme. The Karlsruhe scheme was intended as: We start here in Karlsruhe with something that might work for us. If it also works for you thats fine, if not maybe you can amend it, if it still doesn't fit, come up with something entirely new. So far the scheme has seen some amendments and has more than 900 users who have used it. We'll see where it goes. practical point of view, it should be possible to do street intersection geocoding using OSM data as it currently exists, but the use of OSM data for other forms of geocoding is a work in progress. What exactly do you want to do that doesn't work yet? Jochen -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
If you need a city with exhaustively mapped addresses have a look at some of the Czech cities, for instance Prague: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresseslon=14.44067lat=50.07304zoom=15opacity=0.38overlays=nodes_with_addresses_defined It looks like they have a node for every address. Jochen On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 09:04:35AM -0800, Dan Putler wrote: Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database? From: Dan Putler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:04:35 -0800 Hi Jochen, The purpose for my inquiry on this topic was to see if there was an area that has been extensively addressed, and could be used for the demonstration site we are trying to develop for PAGC. Based on the thread, it appears the Karlsruhe is the most extensively addressed area at this point, but only a fairly small proportion of it has been addressed at this point, too small a proportion to be used for the PAGC demonstration site at this moment (this will likely change in the future as more of the city is addressed). This was really the upshot of my comment about using OSM for geocoding being a work in progress. As I know you are aware, postal addresses are very messy things, that differ from country to country (and even jurisdiction to jurisdiction in some cases). As a result, I think you are correct that a one size fits all tagging scheme will never be developed (or would even be desirable). Having said this, from a data user point of view, keeping the number of different schemes to the minimal acceptable number really makes life easier. Dan On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 11:52 +0100, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:56:53AM -0800, Dan Putler wrote: house number addressing in OSM, it was very useful. Given the related, and very active, addressing thread, it sounds like several issues need to be ironed out before there is a final OSM addressing scheme. From a I never expect there to be one final addressing scheme. The Karlsruhe scheme was intended as: We start here in Karlsruhe with something that might work for us. If it also works for you thats fine, if not maybe you can amend it, if it still doesn't fit, come up with something entirely new. So far the scheme has seen some amendments and has more than 900 users who have used it. We'll see where it goes. practical point of view, it should be possible to do street intersection geocoding using OSM data as it currently exists, but the use of OSM data for other forms of geocoding is a work in progress. What exactly do you want to do that doesn't work yet? Jochen -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
Hi Jochen, Thanks for this. When I first posted I had in mind ways with address ranges (I've got the North American public road network file mindset), but we can also have a point address geocoder embedded within PAGC as well, so Prague looks like a good potential solution to our needs. Dan On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 19:42 +0100, Jochen Topf wrote: If you need a city with exhaustively mapped addresses have a look at some of the Czech cities, for instance Prague: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresseslon=14.44067lat=50.07304zoom=15opacity=0.38overlays=nodes_with_addresses_defined It looks like they have a node for every address. Jochen On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 09:04:35AM -0800, Dan Putler wrote: Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database? From: Dan Putler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:04:35 -0800 Hi Jochen, The purpose for my inquiry on this topic was to see if there was an area that has been extensively addressed, and could be used for the demonstration site we are trying to develop for PAGC. Based on the thread, it appears the Karlsruhe is the most extensively addressed area at this point, but only a fairly small proportion of it has been addressed at this point, too small a proportion to be used for the PAGC demonstration site at this moment (this will likely change in the future as more of the city is addressed). This was really the upshot of my comment about using OSM for geocoding being a work in progress. As I know you are aware, postal addresses are very messy things, that differ from country to country (and even jurisdiction to jurisdiction in some cases). As a result, I think you are correct that a one size fits all tagging scheme will never be developed (or would even be desirable). Having said this, from a data user point of view, keeping the number of different schemes to the minimal acceptable number really makes life easier. Dan On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 11:52 +0100, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:56:53AM -0800, Dan Putler wrote: house number addressing in OSM, it was very useful. Given the related, and very active, addressing thread, it sounds like several issues need to be ironed out before there is a final OSM addressing scheme. From a I never expect there to be one final addressing scheme. The Karlsruhe scheme was intended as: We start here in Karlsruhe with something that might work for us. If it also works for you thats fine, if not maybe you can amend it, if it still doesn't fit, come up with something entirely new. So far the scheme has seen some amendments and has more than 900 users who have used it. We'll see where it goes. practical point of view, it should be possible to do street intersection geocoding using OSM data as it currently exists, but the use of OSM data for other forms of geocoding is a work in progress. What exactly do you want to do that doesn't work yet? Jochen -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
Hi Jochen, Christoph, and Maarten, Thanks for the detailed and complete discussion of the current state of house number addressing in OSM, it was very useful. Given the related, and very active, addressing thread, it sounds like several issues need to be ironed out before there is a final OSM addressing scheme. From a practical point of view, it should be possible to do street intersection geocoding using OSM data as it currently exists, but the use of OSM data for other forms of geocoding is a work in progress. Dan On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 22:52 +0100, Jochen Topf wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:31:21PM +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: My understanding (which may not be correct) is that the development of a house number range tagging scheme is something of an open issue at this point, but based on a thread from April on this list (house number revisited, started by Martijn van Exel) some people have been tagging ways. there's the Karlsruhe model, see the wiki[1] for details. In Karlsruhe, [...] You can also use the OSM Inspector to get a better idea how things are tagged. Karlsruhe is here for instance: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresseslon=8.36448lat=49.02825zoom=17 Jochen -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
Hi all, I'm actually posting as a member of the Postal Address Geo-Coder, or PAGC, project (www.pagcgeo.org). We have recently developed a web based postal geocoder service, and are looking to setup a demo site. The site will have publicly available US TIGER and Canadian StatsCan RNF data, but we were hoping to use data for an area outside of North America. The natural choice for this is OSM data. However, PAGC works best if there are house number ranges along ways. My understanding (which may not be correct) is that the development of a house number range tagging scheme is something of an open issue at this point, but based on a thread from April on this list (house number revisited, started by Martijn van Exel) some people have been tagging ways. If there are areas with tags with house number ranges, we'd like to have some idea of where they are located. PAGC is currently shapefile centric (though this will change in the longer run), so we would need to convert the ways to shapefile format to use them. Thanks in advance. Dan -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
Dan Putler wrote: Exel) some people have been tagging ways. If there are areas with tags with house number ranges, we'd like to have some idea of where they are located. PAGC is currently shapefile centric (though this will change in the longer run), so we would need to convert the ways to shapefile format to use them. Have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema and the city of Karlsruhe http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.0075lon=8.3879zoom=12layers=B000FTF for a proposal and actual use of housenumbers. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
Hi Dan, My understanding (which may not be correct) is that the development of a house number range tagging scheme is something of an open issue at this point, but based on a thread from April on this list (house number revisited, started by Martijn van Exel) some people have been tagging ways. there's the Karlsruhe model, see the wiki[1] for details. In Karlsruhe, you'll also find some housenumbers in the osmarender tiles at highest zoom level. Unfortunately, there are no tiles ATM. Karlsruhe is around [2]. You'll find some excerpts of baden-wuerttemberg on [3]. In addition to the Karlsruhe schema, I also created some relations for a handful of streets and put the housenumber nodes into those relations. I doubt, though, if such a (rather complicated) method of linking houses to streets will get more popular or even widely adopted. If interested, see the street named Graf-Rhena-Straße in Karlsruhe as an example. HTH best regards, ce [1] http://tinyurl.com/64r6qz [2] http://tinyurl.com/5tla5h [3] http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/germany/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any ways with street number ranges in the OSM database?
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:31:21PM +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: My understanding (which may not be correct) is that the development of a house number range tagging scheme is something of an open issue at this point, but based on a thread from April on this list (house number revisited, started by Martijn van Exel) some people have been tagging ways. there's the Karlsruhe model, see the wiki[1] for details. In Karlsruhe, [...] You can also use the OSM Inspector to get a better idea how things are tagged. Karlsruhe is here for instance: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresseslon=8.36448lat=49.02825zoom=17 Jochen -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
