Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.
On Mon, June 13, 2011 14:45, Nick Hocking wrote: I just added some more new roads to the Canberra area. They were rendered in Bing maps within 10 seconds of uploading to OSM!!! Now that's instant gratification. Also bing maps are the slippiest around by a healthy margin. I can be zoomed in, in Canberra but then, for instance, zoom ou,t zip on over to the US and zoom in on a favourite Casino in Vegas all in about 5 seconds. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Bing maps are not amazing in Korea. They still use the (very) sparse and (very) old road network that Yahoo! has. It's riddled with errors, and nothing I put into OSM appears in Bing. Here's a comparison of OSM and Yahoo! If you find the same area in Bing (can't figure out how to bookmark the map in Bing) then you will see the maps are awful (and the same as Yahoo!). http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=13lat=35.6884lon=127.91217layers=0B0T Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
Hi Grant http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735 Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a few months now - It's really good. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.
I was going to say something similar about the main OSM mapnik rendering. Last night the high zoom level had rendered by the time I had closed Potlatch2. Well done to those running our rendering servers! Graham from my phone On 13 Jun 2011 07:04, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 13 June 2011 06:45, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I just added some more new roa... Do you mean Bing or MapQuest? I wasn't aware that Bing was using OSM data yet. Example link? / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lis... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735 Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a few months now - It's really good. That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM. And the rendering is really ugly. :-) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
Jochen, I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner). Rendering is, I think standard mapnik, looks ok to me. Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find all the OSM data there looking quite good. Cheers Nick On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735 Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a few months now - It's really good. That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM. And the rendering is really ugly. :-) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On Mon, June 13, 2011 16:07, Nick Hocking wrote: Jochen, I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner). Rendering is, I think standard mapnik, looks ok to me. Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find all the OSM data there looking quite good. I did try, but it's just the old stuff. Can you see it? Maybe I am doing something wrong. :( A ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On 13 June 2011 17:07, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Jochen, I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner). Rendering is, I think standard mapnik, looks ok to me. Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find all the OSM data there looking quite good. I only see attribution for Microsoft and MapData Sciences... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=37.506163lon=127.050212z=14pid=50735 Works for me. But I'll go check out Yahoo and Google and see what the diffs are On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, June 13, 2011 16:07, Nick Hocking wrote: Jochen, I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner). Rendering is, I think standard mapnik, looks ok to me. Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find all the OSM data there looking quite good. I did try, but it's just the old stuff. Can you see it? Maybe I am doing something wrong. :( A ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
If I recall correctly, the Mapnik “Openstreetmap Mode” requires Silverlight, so the link below might show you a different view if you don’t have it installed. Or perhaps I’m thinking of the Map App, if that is different? Ed From: Nick Hocking [mailto:nick.hock...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 June 2011 07:08 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing Hi Grant http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapnikla t=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735 p=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735 Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a few months now - It's really good. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On 13 June 2011 18:01, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: If I recall correctly, the Mapnik “Openstreetmap Mode” requires Silverlight, so the link below might show you a different view if you don’t have it installed. Or perhaps I’m thinking of the Map App, if that is different? I'd forgotten about that and it never seemed to make sense to me just for showing tiles. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On Mon, June 13, 2011 17:01, Ed Loach wrote: If I recall correctly, the Mapnik #65533;Openstreetmap Mode#65533; requires Silverlight, so the link below might show you a different view if you don#65533;t have it installed. Or perhaps I#65533;m thinking of the Map App, if that is different? Hmm, well I don't have Silverlight, nor do I want it. It could explain why I don't see the same thing as others. Thank you, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.
On 13.06.2011 08:01, Grant Slater wrote: Do you mean Bing or MapQuest? I wasn't aware that Bing was using OSM data yet. Example link? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing#OpenStreetMap_via_the_Bing_Maps_APIs http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w/5872/style=Mapnikpid=50735 needs Silverlight Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.
2011/6/13 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de: needs Silverlight that is really amazing... I don't have silverlight so I only get their dumb standard map... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
I looked at it again, and its not OSM data. It is NAVTEQ data. Its much better than when I last looked at NAVTEQ data so I was confused. :-) But on closer inspection I can see that the OSM data is still better and more current. FF 3.6.17 on Linux, no Silverlight. Jochen On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:07:31PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:07:31 +1000 From: Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing Jochen, I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner). Rendering is, I think standard mapnik, looks ok to me. Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find all the OSM data there looking quite good. Cheers Nick On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735 Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a few months now - It's really good. That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM. And the rendering is really ugly. :-) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On 13.06.2011 11:44, Jochen Topf wrote: FF 3.6.17 on Linux, no Silverlight. This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other data but nag you to install Silverlight. I CC'ed Steve. @Steve: Consider a nag screen or even better provide the tiles using the plain JS API as well. This is how all started: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-June/058642.html Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On 13/06/11 11:29, Stephan Knauss wrote: This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other data but nag you to install Silverlight. I'd rather it didn't because I'm not going to install Silverlight (in fact I couldn't even if I wanted to). It would be a lot better if it was available in the normal javascript version. -- Borbus. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On 13.06.2011 12:40, Borbus wrote: On 13/06/11 11:29, Stephan Knauss wrote: This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other data but nag you to install Silverlight. I'd rather it didn't because I'm not going to install Silverlight (in fact I couldn't even if I wanted to). It would be a lot better if it was available in the normal javascript version. As I have written or even better provide the tiles using the plain JS API as well. As long as MS wants to promote Silverlight using the OSM layer they should at least not silently fall back to another map. So either serve OSM with plain JS or tell the user it won't. Even experienced users like Jochen had been tricked into believing the Bing data was OSM. Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
On 13/06/2011 16:34, Stephan Knauss wrote: As long as MS wants to promote Silverlight using the OSM layer they should at least not silently fall back to another map. So either serve OSM with plain JS or tell the user it won't. If you believe the news / rumour sites, they might not be insisting on Silverlight being the answer for everything for ever: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20069319-17/microsoft-speak-up-about-silverlight-in-windows-8/ I've never used Bing maps for anything much because it always seems a bit too random - even now if I blindly click on the more map styles link I see on the front page you get a wikipedia entry for Stonehenge along with a crap quality map of it, and the information that it's 11.58 miles to Pewsey. The OSM April 1st map was logical by comparison. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
