Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/13 Richard Fairhurst :
>
> Pieren Pieren wrote:
>> May I suggest a new tag:
>> landuse=blur
>
> Superb. I've been wanting a tag like that for a while. I have now used it
> for the first time, in a location not that far from where I live:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.90063&lon=-1.62397&zoom=15&way=32060656
>
> (warning - very _cheesy_ joke that only some UK mappers will get)


I found an error in your tagging.
I've corrected it for you.

Dave

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Milenko
> -Original Message-
> From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
> boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> To: Pieren
> Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online
> mapping tools
> 
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:35:30 +0100, Pieren  wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Richard Fairhurst
> 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Pieren Pieren wrote:
> >>> May I suggest a new tag:
> >>> landuse=blur
> >>
> >> Superb. I've been wanting a tag like that for a while. I have now
> used
> it
> >> for the first time, in a location not that far from where I live:
> >>
> >
> > Arf, no ! If you do that, I will have to write a taging proposal on
> > the wiki and open a vote in the next few days ;-)
> 
> I propose that amenity=bar implies a landuse=blur!
> All in favor raise their mouse!
> 
> *g*
> 
> Marcus

I'll drink to *hic* that proposal!


-Jeremy



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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:35:30 +0100, Pieren  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Richard Fairhurst 
> wrote:
>>
>> Pieren Pieren wrote:
>>> May I suggest a new tag:
>>> landuse=blur
>>
>> Superb. I've been wanting a tag like that for a while. I have now used
it
>> for the first time, in a location not that far from where I live:
>>
> 
> Arf, no ! If you do that, I will have to write a taging proposal on
> the wiki and open a vote in the next few days ;-)

I propose that amenity=bar implies a landuse=blur!
All in favor raise their mouse!

*g*

Marcus

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
>
> Pieren Pieren wrote:
>> May I suggest a new tag:
>> landuse=blur
>
> Superb. I've been wanting a tag like that for a while. I have now used it
> for the first time, in a location not that far from where I live:
>

Arf, no ! If you do that, I will have to write a taging proposal on
the wiki and open a vote in the next few days ;-)

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
And yet, the exact opposite is required, for certain locations in California.

Megan's Law http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

"Specific home addresses are displayed on more than 33,500 offenders
in the California communities; as to these persons, the site displays
the last registered address reported by the offender. An additional
30,500 offenders are included on the site with listing by ZIP Code,
city, and county"

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Richard Weait
Not to worry.  I've fixed his bill for him.  
http://bit.ly/CwdwO



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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Pieren Pieren wrote:
> May I suggest a new tag:
> landuse=blur

Superb. I've been wanting a tag like that for a while. I have now used it
for the first time, in a location not that far from where I live:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.90063&lon=-1.62397&zoom=15&way=32060656

(warning - very _cheesy_ joke that only some UK mappers will get)

cheers
Richard
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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Russ Nelson

On Mar 13, 2009, at 4:23 AM, Mike Collinson wrote:
> California Assemblyman Joel Anderson, sponsor of a bill that would  
> require online mapping services using satellite imagery to blur the  
> details of schools, places of worship, government buildings, and  
> medical facilities to prevent terrorists from using them for  
> planning purposes.


I called his office and left a message that he had shit for brains.  I  
think I used different wording, however.  Californians -- particularly  
those in his district -- should ALL be calling him and registering  
their opposition to brainless stupidity.

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>­ California Assemblyman Joel Anderson, sponsor of a bill that would 
require online mapping services using >satellite imagery to blur the 
details of schools, places of worship, government buildings, and medical 
>facilities to prevent terrorists from using them for planning purposes.

Well I've just managed to find the address of a random school in Lakewood, 
CA, without the need for any online mapping services.

Nick

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Pieren
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM, OJ W

May I suggest a new tag:
landuse=blur

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread paul youlten
All your ducts are belong to us.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM, OJ W  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Mike Collinson  wrote:
>> Q  U  O  T  E  D
>>
>> "I'm not against the technology; it's fantastic. But we're in an evolving 
>> world and we have to change our course as it changes. I'm all for online 
>> mapping, but knowing where the air ducts are in an air shaft is not 
>> necessary for me to navigate in the city. Who wants to know that level of 
>> detail? Bad people do. ... The fact is that I would be remiss in my job if I 
>> didn't take this seriously. I'm not interested in censoring Google or the 
>> others, but now that we know there's a threat, how could we not address 
>> this?"
>
> Now where did we hear this argument before?
>
>
> General Tagge: What of the Rebellion? If the Rebels have obtained a
> complete technical reading of this station, it is possible, however
> unlikely, they might find a weakness and exploit it.
>
> Darth Vader: The plans you refer to will soon be back in our hands.
>
> Admiral Motti: Any attack made by the Rebels against this station
> would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they have
> obtained. This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I
> suggest we use it.
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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread OJ W
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Mike Collinson  wrote:
> Q  U  O  T  E  D
>
> "I'm not against the technology; it's fantastic. But we're in an evolving 
> world and we have to change our course as it changes. I'm all for online 
> mapping, but knowing where the air ducts are in an air shaft is not necessary 
> for me to navigate in the city. Who wants to know that level of detail? Bad 
> people do. ... The fact is that I would be remiss in my job if I didn't take 
> this seriously. I'm not interested in censoring Google or the others, but now 
> that we know there's a threat, how could we not address this?"

Now where did we hear this argument before?


General Tagge: What of the Rebellion? If the Rebels have obtained a
complete technical reading of this station, it is possible, however
unlikely, they might find a weakness and exploit it.

Darth Vader: The plans you refer to will soon be back in our hands.

Admiral Motti: Any attack made by the Rebels against this station
would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they have
obtained. This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I
suggest we use it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 13 March 2009 13:53:05 Mike Collinson wrote:
> ­ California Assemblyman Joel Anderson, sponsor of a bill that would
> require online mapping services using satellite imagery to blur the details
> of schools, places of worship, government buildings, and medical facilities
> to prevent terrorists from using them for planning purposes.

the Mumbai attacks showed that the only people hampered by lack of accurate 
maps readily available were not the terrorists, but the security forces. In 
emergencies maps locked in safes where the guy with the key is at home and 
asleep are of no help to anyone.
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Associate
NRC-FOSS
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[OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Thread Mike Collinson
>From today's "Good Morning Silicon Valley" newsletter:

Q  U  O  T  E  D 

"I'm not against the technology; it's fantastic. But we're in an evolving world 
and we have to change our course as it changes. I'm all for online mapping, but 
knowing where the air ducts are in an air shaft is not necessary for me to 
navigate in the city. Who wants to know that level of detail? Bad people do. 
... The fact is that I would be remiss in my job if I didn't take this 
seriously. I'm not interested in censoring Google or the others, but now that 
we know there's a threat, how could we not address this?" 

­ California Assemblyman Joel Anderson, sponsor of a bill that would require 
online mapping services using satellite imagery to blur the details of schools, 
places of worship, government buildings, and medical facilities to prevent 
terrorists from using them for planning purposes. 

Full story:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-10193237-60.html



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