Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Ivan Garcia wrote: >> [...]I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA >> request? > > I doubt that data taken 30 years ago cannot be high quality, maybe the roads > have a 10/-10 meters unaccuracy if they have been drawn from aerial photos > and not GPSed. That data is probably very acceptable for OSM use, and the military probably took care to take good aerial photography. > Even thought, I'm sure not so many vietnamese mappers would like to see in > the Source tag that army that also used to bomb and kill many millions of > their own people :-( It would be unfortunate if mapping efforts were impeded due to this. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
Hi Russ, [...]I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA > request? > I doubt that data taken 30 years ago cannot be high quality, maybe the roads have a 10/-10 meters unaccuracy if they have been drawn from aerial photos and not GPSed. Even thought, I'm sure not so many vietnamese mappers would like to see in the Source tag that army that also used to bomb and kill many millions of their own people :-( Best Regards. Ivan. > > > -- > Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson > r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - > http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because > we want to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish > even they have also an small community. Ah! Well, of course you should talk in Vietnamese! You can plan around the mapping party well enough. To keep the list's momentum going, talk about real-world things, like State of the Map (e.g. the Vietnamese guy who's going on a grant), or suggest that people join the OpenStreetMap Foundation, or post notes about the mapping you're doing, or anything about Vietnamese maps that anybody else is working on. The best way to keep a list going is to import information. Otherwise the list descends into silence, or worse, introspective meta- discussion. I met a guy this weekend at a bike shop (Bikes @ Vienna); an older black fellow. His ears perked up when he heard me talk about mapping. Turns out that he was in the Navy during the Vietnam War, and was a photointerpreter. The US military had zero maps of Vietnam, and had to make them by overflying the entire country (which must have been ... entertaining ), and tracing the photos just like we're doing now. I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA request? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
I totally agree, I think that is one of the reasons the Brazilian community have become more active lately. For small communities with other languages than English, anything that helps reduce the barrier for new people are welcome. The Brazilian community works hard now on translating vital parts of the wiki and the most used programs to Brazilian Portuguese, all to help more Brazilians getting involved. If a talk-vi can do the same for Vietnam, than go ahead. The project goal is not to limit communication, but to make the best free online map ever. A. Johnsen On 22/06/2009, at 13:04, Ivan Garcia wrote: Sorry Ivan I didn't pretend to offend the spanish community ( I even consider myself part of it). I just wanted to say that even a mailing lists with small number of traffic but in a different language than english should have right to own their own mailing list. Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: hehe, good reply. Go for your own list, as it is the best way to get the community growing! best wishes, Martin 2009/6/22 Ivan Garcia : > Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because we want > to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they have also > an small community. > > Best Regards. > Ivan. > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: >> >> Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list. When talk about >> Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork off a new >> list. Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few participants and >> insufficient traffic to sustain a community. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
Sorry Ivan I didn't pretend to offend the spanish community ( I even consider myself part of it). I just wanted to say that even a mailing lists with small number of traffic but in a different language than english should have right to own their own mailing list. Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > hehe, good reply. Go for your own list, as it is the best way to get > the community growing! > > best wishes, > Martin > > 2009/6/22 Ivan Garcia : > > Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because we > want > > to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they have > also > > an small community. > > > > Best Regards. > > Ivan. > > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > >> > >> Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list. When talk about > >> Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork off a > new > >> list. Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few participants > and > >> insufficient traffic to sustain a community. > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
El Lunes, 22 de Junio de 2009, Ivan Garcia escribió: > [...] same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they have > also an small community. Hey, I've heard you there! And our community is not small! -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Aviso: Este e-mail es confidencial y no debería ser usado por nadie que no sea el destinatario original. No se permite la reproducción mediante fotocopia, walkie-talkie, emisora de radioaficionado, satélite, televisión por cable, proyector, señales de humo, código morse, braille, lenguaje de signos, taquigrafía o cualquier otro medio. Bajo ningún concepto debe traducirse al francés este e-mail. Este e-mail no puede ser ridiculizado, parodiado, juzgado en una competición, o leído en voz alta con un acento gracioso llevando un bigote falso y/o cualquier tipo de sombrero, incluyendo pero no limitándose a pañuelos. No inciten ni provoquen a este e-mail. Si está medicándose, puede experimentar nauseas, desorientación, histeria, vómitos, pérdida temporal de la memoria a corto plazo y malestar general al leer este e-mail. Consulte a su médico o farmacéutico antes de leer este e-mail. Todas las modelos descritas en este e-mail son mayores de 18 años. Si ha recibido este e-mail por error es probablemente porque estaba borracho cuando escribí la dirección del destinatario. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because we want to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they have also an small community. Best Regards. Ivan. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list. When talk about > Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork off a new > list. Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few participants and > insufficient traffic to sustain a community. > > > On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: > > Hi, >> >> in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next month >> [1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk-vi", is it >> possible some admin create it for us? >> >> Best Regards. >> >> [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009 >> >> >> >> > > -- > Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson > r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - > http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list. When talk about Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork off a new list. Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few participants and insufficient traffic to sustain a community. On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi, > > in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next > month [1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk- > vi", is it possible some admin create it for us? > > Best Regards. > > [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009 > > > -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
"If you want a new list for your country or language, send email to Michael Collinson, michael at osmfoundation dot org " As it says at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists Cheers, Andy On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi, > > in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next month > [1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk-vi", is it > possible some admin create it for us? > > Best Regards. > > [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009 > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi
Hi, in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next month [1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk-vi", is it possible some admin create it for us? Best Regards. [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
