Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
2010/5/26 Frederik Ramm : > I think he referred to the Aussie meaning of "station" which means "an > isolated farm" and has nothing to do with railways. OK, I got it, but actually IMHO isolated farms can as well be mapped with place=isolated_dwelling and a farm-tag aside. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Can a station be an isolated dwelling ? Just kidding... > you might be kidding, but it actually can be, it's one of the cases > for which this place-vakue was introduced. I think he referred to the Aussie meaning of "station" which means "an isolated farm" and has nothing to do with railways. Railway stations can of course be isolated dwellings, witness Altnabreak in northern Scotland: http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnik&mt1=googlesat&lon=-3.70642&lat=58.38786&zoom=17 Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
2010/5/26 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Can a station be an isolated dwelling ? Just kidding... you might be kidding, but it actually can be, it's one of the cases for which this place-vakue was introduced. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Can a station be an isolated dwelling ? Just kidding... Almost - usually the station master had his own house. Now if it was isolated it wouldn't get staff either However as apparently only 4 people now live at Cook, which is an essential stop for the train as it refuels here, this could still qualify http://bit.ly/4LvRJ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
Steve Doerr wrote: > "Roland Olbricht" wrote in message > news:201005221952.30724.roland.olbri...@gmx.de... > >> - railway=halt is at least in Europe already frequently used with a >> different >> meaning: "station" designates stations where trains can begin or >> terminate. >> "halt" means (usually smaller) stations where trains only stop but legally >> can't begin or end. > > Hmm. Here in the UK, 'station' is certainly not restricted to (potential) > termini. A 'halt', according to the OED, is 'a small railway station without > the ordinary accommodation or staff, at which only local trains normally > stop'. Same in France : the significant difference between halt and station is that the administrative definition of a station mentions that at least one person must be present. The halt is normally not staffed at all. Sometimes the halt is a mere vestigial platform in the middle of nowhere; otherwise it can be a former station that lost its status. The French language Wikipedia page for "station" mentions that the definition is different in Switzerland where a station can be unstaffed. Can a station be an isolated dwelling ? Just kidding... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
"Roland Olbricht" wrote in message news:201005221952.30724.roland.olbri...@gmx.de... > - railway=halt is at least in Europe already frequently used with a > different > meaning: "station" designates stations where trains can begin or > terminate. > "halt" means (usually smaller) stations where trains only stop but legally > can't begin or end. Hmm. Here in the UK, 'station' is certainly not restricted to (potential) termini. A 'halt', according to the OED, is 'a small railway station without the ordinary accommodation or staff, at which only local trains normally stop'. -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On 22/05/10 23:34, Liz wrote: > On Sun, 23 May 2010, Roland Olbricht wrote: >> - railway=halt is at least in Europe already frequently used with a >> different meaning: "station" designates stations where trains can begin >> or terminate. "halt" means (usually smaller) stations where trains only >> stop but legally can't begin or end. To make things worse, most mappers >> map either all stations as "station" or they map all small stations >> (regardless of their legal status) as "halt". You have a clear definition >> of the feature (not regularly served), thus I'd strongly encourage you to >> use a different value for it. > > Ahh, interesting > Station in Au means it has a platform, and implies an office, a permanent > employee and hopefully a toilet as well. Same in Ireland. There are many places tagged as station, where the train will go through, but it doesn't start or stop from. There is pretty much always a building, employees, etc. 0x5373FB61.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
2010/5/23 Liz : > Ahh, interesting > Station in Au means it has a platform, and implies an office, a permanent > employee and hopefully a toilet as well. the same in Germany, but permanent employees are less frequent now, because of cost reduction. > Halt means there is no platform, you get to climb down from the train, and > have to pre-arrange stopping in most places. You do not expect to be able to > buy a ticket, find a toilet or have any assistance from the local employee. +1, but these could as well be considered "side effects". cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On Sun, 23 May 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 23 May 2010 09:59, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > And this isn't a defining thing anyway, because in Rockhampton the > > railway goes down the middle of the main road for some distance. > > Was/is that for cane trains? (light rail) no, the main line. http://osm.org/go/ud5F1RFQ-- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On 23 May 2010 10:06, John Smith wrote: > On 23 May 2010 09:59, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: >> And this isn't a defining thing anyway, because in Rockhampton the railway >> goes down the middle of the main road for some distance. > > Was/is that for cane trains? (light rail) > Sorry, narrow gauge... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On 23 May 2010 09:59, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > And this isn't a defining thing anyway, because in Rockhampton the railway > goes down the middle of the main road for some distance. Was/is that for cane trains? (light rail) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On Sun, 23 May 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 23 May 2010 08:36, Liz wrote: > > The massive Sydney rail system used for mass transport is *railway* > > They are not light_rail. Tramway implies that the vehicle shares the > > street with the cars and bicycles and trucks. > > In Sydney the tramway diverges from the roadway at various places. Agreed. I didn't say *always* shares the street. And this isn't a defining thing anyway, because in Rockhampton the railway goes down the middle of the main road for some distance. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On 23 May 2010 02:07, Arun Ganesh wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Railways > > freight lines. Let me know what you guys think. If you want to specify width, use the width=* tag, guage is a subset of width but was defined in various countries to mean different things so to prevent confusion I'd avoid it. Also even where there is multiple lines running parallel in Sydney these have all been mapped out including short sections of switch track etc, but that's due to hi-res sat imagery and some people avid about their railway tracks, Mike even put in a suggestion with some train game that they could use the information from Sydney and other places mapped in high detail as the layout for the tracks :) There is also railway=crossing for pedestrian crossings. Instead of rail:use=heritage these are usually tagged as railway=preserved, as for the other use tags, I can't comment on India, but in Australia the railways are time shared between different purposes. Also are you confusing abandoned with disused, abandoned means it has been torn down or ripped out and there is no longer any physical presence of whatever you are tagging, disused means it's been left to rot. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On 23 May 2010 08:36, Liz wrote: > The massive Sydney rail system used for mass transport is *railway* > They are not light_rail. Tramway implies that the vehicle shares the street > with the cars and bicycles and trucks. In Sydney the tramway diverges from the roadway at various places. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Jens Müller wrote: > > Rails within a city (which usually serve for mass transit within the > > city) should be tagged as railway=tram or railway=light_rail. Please add > > this to the wiki page to prevent somebody else from mapping them on > > error as railway=rail or something else. > > What do you German S-Bahn lines use? They are used for mass rapid > transit. Legally, they are railways. The massive Sydney rail system used for mass transport is *railway* They are not light_rail. Tramway implies that the vehicle shares the street with the cars and bicycles and trucks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Roland Olbricht wrote: > - railway=halt is at least in Europe already frequently used with a > different meaning: "station" designates stations where trains can begin > or terminate. "halt" means (usually smaller) stations where trains only > stop but legally can't begin or end. To make things worse, most mappers > map either all stations as "station" or they map all small stations > (regardless of their legal status) as "halt". You have a clear definition > of the feature (not regularly served), thus I'd strongly encourage you to > use a different value for it. Ahh, interesting Station in Au means it has a platform, and implies an office, a permanent employee and hopefully a toilet as well. Halt means there is no platform, you get to climb down from the train, and have to pre-arrange stopping in most places. You do not expect to be able to buy a ticket, find a toilet or have any assistance from the local employee. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
Am 22.05.2010 19:52, schrieb Roland Olbricht: > Rails within a city (which usually serve for mass transit within the city) > should be tagged as railway=tram or railway=light_rail. Please add this to the > wiki page to prevent somebody else from mapping them on error as railway=rail > or something else. What do you German S-Bahn lines use? They are used for mass rapid transit. Legally, they are railways. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
> I recently got addicted to mapping the railway network in India in detail > using landsat imagery. Good news for the map :) This is really great work. > Since i wasnt able to find any other railway mapping > project which specified detailed mapping conventions, i came up with my own > scheme which i've compiled here: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Railways What about http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport#Railways http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Railways ? In general, the two schemes are quite compatible, so there's not much to worry about. Some remarks (which may or may not apply to railways in India): - railway=halt is at least in Europe already frequently used with a different meaning: "station" designates stations where trains can begin or terminate. "halt" means (usually smaller) stations where trains only stop but legally can't begin or end. To make things worse, most mappers map either all stations as "station" or they map all small stations (regardless of their legal status) as "halt". You have a clear definition of the feature (not regularly served), thus I'd strongly encourage you to use a different value for it. Rails within a city (which usually serve for mass transit within the city) should be tagged as railway=tram or railway=light_rail. Please add this to the wiki page to prevent somebody else from mapping them on error as railway=rail or something else. There is also a mailing list for Public transport. Please subscribe to the list and repost the mail there: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit There are more "railway addicts". Hence, you are likely to get more feedback. If you get bored by mapping only the railway network, you can also start mapping the (regular) services on it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/Public_transport_schema is a scheme for mapping those. Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India
I recently got addicted to mapping the railway network in India in detail using landsat imagery. Since i wasnt able to find any other railway mapping project which specified detailed mapping conventions, i came up with my own scheme which i've compiled here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Railways I'm pretty much done with the part for the permanent way tags. So i thought i'd toss it around to get some feedback and make amendments to it. Most of it seems pretty logical till now. Also the graphic that i made is my suggestions for the mapnik rendering of railway tags for the sidings and freight lines. Let me know what you guys think. -- http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
