Re: [OSM-talk] Formal proposal: mechanically reverting fixme=set␣better␣denotation / denotation=cluster

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 01/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:
> This is now a formal proposal to mechanically remove:
>
> denotation=cluster
> fixme=set␣better␣denotation
>
>
> From 200,000+ nodes.  See
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt

I agree with deleting the fixme tag.

Concering the deletion of the denotation tag, on the one hand I agree because
 + its meaning is not obvious, and it doesn't seem to play well with
other denotation values
 + the same information can be obtained from a spatial query.

however:
 - there are ~20K uses of denotation=cluster that aren't associated
with the fixme, and therefore seemingly not done by the automated
edit. Please either delete all denotation=cluster tags regardless of
their origin, or explain why the cases are different.
 - The other most-common denotation values (urban and avenue) suffer
from the same issues. It would seem that *if* cluster is to be
deleted, urban and avenue ought to suffer the same fate.

I'm saying all this without having read the old discussions on the
topic; sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Formal proposal: mechanically reverting fixme=set␣better␣denotation / denotation=cluster

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 1 March 2015 at 21:04, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:
> This is now a formal proposal to mechanically remove:
>
> denotation=cluster
> fixme=set␣better␣denotation
>
>
> From 200,000+ nodes.  See
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt


I support this proposal.

-- Matthijs

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[OSM-talk] Formal proposal: mechanically reverting fixme=set␣better␣denotation / denotation=cluster

[Bryce Nesbitt]

This is now a formal proposal to mechanically remove:

denotation=cluster
fixme=set␣better␣denotation


>From 200,000+ nodes.  See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt



The original mapper has commented on this proposal:

*The fixmes are useless and can be deleted.*





*The denotation flags still have their value. But I won't reopen the old
discussion. It has been done to death back then. If people prefer to
destroy other mapper's work by forcing a new meaning on existing objects
with mass imports then that's the way it is.*


And I disagree, since the tags can mechanically be derived from the data,
and since nobody is maintaining the denotation tag.


The original mapper's statement was:

*NopMap: **Thu Sep 9 07:44:05 BST 2010*
*From the topology analysis, I have marked every tree without further*
*information that has another tree within 50m with "denotation=cluster" so*
*you can tell it is not a single tree. That should be sufficient for*
*distinguishing mass trees and solve the ambiguity. And it's not a*
*"probably", but a simple fact.*

*For a first step, this was limited to all trees in Germany, I will extend
it*
*in a few days when I have more time.*




On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:23 AM, SomeoneElse  wrote:

> Just for a bit of background on this specific issue, for the lucky people
> who missed out on it last time around, the mechanical edit that added
those
> values was discussed here:
>
>
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-September/thread.html#4297
>
> and there's some discussion (a couple of years after the event) on the
> German forum here:
>
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=309562
>
> The discussion on the GB list lead to a revert there:
>
>
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-November/010492.html
>
> More comment from the Netherlands:
>
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=121302#p121302
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
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