Re: [OSM-talk] From the SotM: tagging session

[Stefano]

Hello all,
I want to send you some references for my suggestion during the tagging
session,
I believe it could provide a simple solution to this documentation issue.

Il giorno lun 30 set 2019 alle ore 06:52 Roland Olbricht <
roland.olbri...@gmx.de> ha scritto:

>
> We would like to have a secondary tag documentation with the properties:
>
>
- Content translation: using the Translate extension (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate, which can be imported
by Wiki admins I think) some Help pages on Wikidata are quite stable (and
other languages can keep synchronized), this would motivate also to reach a
single text content for many topics, example on wikidata
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Items : the base edition is in English,
but at every update every edition can keep updated like we do when
translating software in Transifex.

- Interest groups: I'm listed on the participant list for the italian
wikiproject (
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Italy/Participants) so
other people can mention the group and I get a notification, example here
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Letteraturaitaliana.net_author_ID#Motivation
where
someone wrote {{ping project|Italy}}; this would allow to group people
according to the interest in the tagging proposals. You can also see the
proposal model which could be adopted (
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal and also see RfC
for general discussions
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment ). This
functionality is provided by this Mediawiki module
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo and the template is
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Ping_project

- Wikibase on WikiOSM: we have the Data Items (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_items) which could be a starting
point to document the tagging in a machine readable way. It was configured
by Yuri Astrakan. If extended it can be used for configuring the Infoboxes
(this is already used by Wikipedia in some languages, the infoboxes are
populated by information from Wikidata), or we could also add a query
service to build dynamic pages (on wikipedia there's this tool to build
tables https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Listeria, see for example
this list of municipalities on my wiki page
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sabas88/Lists/Comuni/Liguria)

These three items aren't dependent on WIki* availability, but are ideas
which can be imported and used independently on our instance.

Stefano
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Re: [OSM-talk] From the SotM: tagging session

[Andrew Davidson]

On 30/9/19 14:50, Roland Olbricht wrote:


It has been a talking point that the wiki should be purely descriptive.
There is no objection that people sort out tagging questions in the
wiki, but the mixture of purely descriptive and as normative intended
pages would cause confusion.



By "normative" do you mean prescriptive?

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[OSM-talk] From the SotM: tagging session

[Roland Olbricht]

Hello everybody,

I have promised to report results from the tagging session at the SotM.
I'm sorry for being late. The good news are that there is a relatively
actionable item that has found general acclaim.

We would like to have a secondary tag documentation with the properties:

- It is stable and permanent.

- It is strictly descriptive. In particular, this means that it must be
able to cover multiple tagging approaches even if they contradict each
other.

It has been conjectured that having a personal responable per subject or
even per individual page could help with quality. Everybody has agreed
that this approach comes in addition to the existing wiki and not as a
replacement.

A lot of other tpoics have been touched.

It has been a talking point that the wiki should be purely descriptive.
There is no objection that people sort out tagging questions in the
wiki, but the mixture of purely descriptive and as normative intended
pages would cause confusion.

A tagging working group to write the Map Features pages has been
discussed. But the current state of existing working groups does rather
not suggest that is going to be self-sustaining.

I'm in particular grateful that developers from the major editors have
participated in the discussion. The people in the room were in general
happy with the editor's handling of tags as of now.

The general mood of the room was calm and constructive.

Best regards,

Roland

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