Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: trace and signs

2020-04-25 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk

>As to a mapping rule, do we node, (the point symbol in ID edit)  put signs on 
>the map,
> 
>and under what authority do we not put signs on the map.
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>>Saturday, April 25, 2020 7:02 AM -05:00 from Warin < 61sundow...@gmail.com >:
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>>On 25/4/20 8:35 pm, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
>>> Here are some more examples demonstrating that signs could be of
>>> interest to travelers.
>>>
>>> - in this video the popular British travel video-blogger goes to great
>>> lengths to get to the specific sign to record his video:
>>>  https://youtu.be/6RQlQDp1uiU?t=90
>>>
>>> - it is customary during long distance cycling tours to take photos
>>> near the signs, as it would confirm the itinerary of the tour:
>>>
>>>  https://www.highlux.co.nz/category/cycle-touring/
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://www.alamy.com/fully-packed-bicycle-long-distance-bike-parked-at-frontier-sign-chile-argentina-good-bye-argentina-image184906663.html
>>>
>>
>>Whilst tourist use signs to document their tour few of them are after a
>>particular sign and those usually from someone else's trip photos. If
>>they are after a particular sign then the location is probably gained
>>from the photo and/or document not from a map.
>>
>>There is a place that I know of that had a sign and it attracted
>>tourist. There were a few traffic accidents caused by these tourist
>>looking/stopping for this sign. The sign has been removed for safety. As
>>there is no sign there tourist do not slow or stop there any more, so
>>not more accidents. It is a 'place=location' in OSM terms but I am
>>loathed to map it for fear of recreating the problem.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: trace and signs

2020-04-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> On 25. Apr 2020, at 14:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a place that I know of that had a sign and it attracted tourist.


there are many famous signs, but they are of course just a tiny fraction of all 
signs that are set up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hHKL0_Q2uUc/UEBbmbfM57I/BAc/_vpyx7R1r48/s1600/LAS+VEGAS+SIGN.jpg

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: trace and signs

2020-04-25 Thread Warin

On 25/4/20 8:35 pm, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
Here are some more examples demonstrating that signs could be of 
interest to travelers.


- in this video the popular British travel video-blogger goes to great 
lengths to get to the specific sign to record his video: 
https://youtu.be/6RQlQDp1uiU?t=90


- it is customary during long distance cycling tours to take photos 
near the signs, as it would confirm the itinerary of the tour:


https://www.highlux.co.nz/category/cycle-touring/

or

https://www.alamy.com/fully-packed-bicycle-long-distance-bike-parked-at-frontier-sign-chile-argentina-good-bye-argentina-image184906663.html 




Whilst tourist use signs to document their tour few of them are after a 
particular sign and those usually from someone else's trip photos. If 
they are after a particular sign then the location is probably gained 
from the photo and/or document not from a map.


There is a place that I know of that had a sign and it attracted 
tourist. There were a few traffic accidents caused by these tourist 
looking/stopping for this sign. The sign has been removed for safety. As 
there is no sign there tourist do not slow or stop there any more, so 
not more accidents. It is a 'place=location' in OSM terms but I am 
loathed to map it for fear of recreating the problem.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: trace and signs

2020-04-25 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
Here are some more examples demonstrating that signs could be of 
interest to travelers.


- in this video the popular British travel video-blogger goes to great 
lengths to get to the specific sign to record his video: 
https://youtu.be/6RQlQDp1uiU?t=90


- it is customary during long distance cycling tours to take photos near 
the signs, as it would confirm the itinerary of the tour:


https://www.highlux.co.nz/category/cycle-touring/

or

https://www.alamy.com/fully-packed-bicycle-long-distance-bike-parked-at-frontier-sign-chile-argentina-good-bye-argentina-image184906663.html

Best regards,

Oleksiy



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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: trace and signs

2020-04-24 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
It is a very good question. I always search in a park the sign which 
bears its name. Some parks have such a sign and some don't.


It takes sometimes a lot of time to find the sign with the park's name. 
First of all, you do not know if it exists at all. So you have to walk 
several times around, looking at places where it might be.


For example I found this sign with the park's name: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Centre_intercommunal_de_sports,_loisirs_et_nature_des_Evaux#/media/File:Centre-des-Evaux-3.jpg 

I took its photo and I used it in creating this Wikipedia article: 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_intercommunal_de_sports,_loisirs_et_nature_des_Evaux


It helps a lot if a discussion begins about the park's article. The 
image of the sign with the park's name is a good proof that it's the 
official park, and that its name reflected correctly on the map and in 
the article.


In this park I did not find the sign: 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parc_Baud-Bovy and the article, which I 
created, was almost removed by moderators. I had to prove park's 
existence via secondary sources.


So having a sign with the park's official name tagged and marked on the 
map, would save a lot of time while surveying a park. The park is 
usually quite large, it may have several entrances, and it is not 
possible to tell where the sign with the park's name could be, or if it 
exists at all.


Best regards,
Oleksiy


On 4/23/20 23:29, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
... how do you tag a sign ... park ...that is name of the place, place 
name.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: trace and signs

2020-04-23 Thread Warin

On 24/4/20 7:29 am, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:


 1. how do you close out the trace on the map after edit ?


I have no idea what this means. "Close out"?


 1. how do you tag a sign, mall, park, forest, that is name of the
place, place name.



If a mall, park, forest have a name then put the tag name=* on the feature.

Example:

leisure=park

name=Fred's Park


A sign that carries the name of a village, well I don't see any methods 
for tagging the sign itself.


The feature village can be mapped and carry the tag name=*, similar to 
any other feature.




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[OSM-talk] Fwd: trace and signs

2020-04-23 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk

*  how do you close out the trace on the map after edit ? 
*  how do you tag a sign, mall, park, forest, that is name of the place, place 
name.
 
 
   
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