Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[malenki]

On  25.05.2013 12:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 
> On 25/mag/2013, at 10:33, Paweł Paprota  wrote:
> 
> > Of course with Wikipedia it was somehow "easier" because all of
> > their work gets indexed by search engines
> 
> 
> Also osm is indexed by search engines

When Google returns results pointing to www.strassenkatalog.de I know
that OSM is the only place where this thing shows up in the internet.
Or - to be more exact - is the only place where Googles crawler found
it.
strassenkatalog seems to be one of those useless thousendfold
adress-and-phone register strewn across the web.

If you want google results with OSM in the first places, try some
loc_names.
Here an example: http://www.google.de/search?q=%22aze-stra%C3%9Fe%22




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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[Cartinus]

What are these 8 pitches? They are tagged "source=Bing", but don't look
like anything in the Bing background of P2.



On 05/25/2013 01:24 PM, Christian Quest wrote:
> Next media work is about Roland Garros international tennis tournament
> which will start tomorrow outside of Paris... the area never looked as
> great as on http://u.osmfr.org/m/275/ ;)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[Johan C]

2013/5/25 Christian Quest 

> Next media work is about Roland Garros international tennis tournament
> which will start tomorrow outside of Paris... the area never looked as
> great as on http://u.osmfr.org/m/275/ ;)
>

That's a beautiful piece of work, Compliments to the French community for
that

Will your media work include NBC's Rosa Golijan? She will be stunned to see
the quality compared to Google Maps!

Cheers, Johan
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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[Simon Poole]

Am 25.05.2013 13:09, schrieb Maarten Deen:
> On 2013-05-25 12:19, pec...@gmail.com wrote:
>> For those who are still naive to think that journalists find out
>> these things themselves: Google has huge amount of money to waste on
>> PR. If last two years is evidence everyone is happy to advertise "new
>> stuff" of their maps, because it's very easy for people to relate to.
>
> Of course, "money spent" in Google terms is "effort" in OSM terms,
> since we all contribute to OSM without getting paid (ok, some are
> fortunate enough that someone actually pays them to work on OSM, but
> most of us are not in that position).
>
>> I don't see how OSM would want to play this game. We don't see logic
>> in this. However, this make PR work.
>
> Apparently there are people who think it is important. Why would we
> not want to improve on OSM by getting it know to the public? OSM
> starts to have a huge benefit for people. I can't download the maps
> for my navigation from Google, I get them from OSM. I certainly
> benefit from having a more complete Openstreetmap.

I don't think there is any active opposition against making OSM more
popular :-).

The question is more does it make any sense to try engage in
one-upmanship with google. It is just unlikely that we can win at their
own game, we have neither their resources nor can we easily make the
media so dependent on us as they are on google.

I believe it makes more sense to rely on word of mouth and to employ
guerilla marketing tactics to get the word out than sending out press
releases (we could try for a while to see if it makes difference
naturally).  However, as has already been said, what we really need
right now is less theorizing on talk and more hands in the CWG.

Simon



 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[Christian Quest]

We did some media work around a new highway opening near Lyon.

It has been quite well received. We turned it around route
calculations as most players had outdated data the route proposed was
much longer than using the new highway ;)

http://openstreetmap.fr/a89

This page has been visited much more than usually and the referers
traced back to several local newspapers and website/blogs.


Taking advantage of a bridge collapse is another issue.. I don't feel
confortable of doing media work around something like that because it
is too much linked with a negative event.


Next media work is about Roland Garros international tennis tournament
which will start tomorrow outside of Paris... the area never looked as
great as on http://u.osmfr.org/m/275/ ;)


-- 
Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France
Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-05-25 12:19, pec...@gmail.com wrote:

For those who are still naive to think that journalists find out
these things themselves: Google has huge amount of money to waste on
PR. If last two years is evidence everyone is happy to advertise "new
stuff" of their maps, because it's very easy for people to relate to.


Of course, "money spent" in Google terms is "effort" in OSM terms, 
since we all contribute to OSM without getting paid (ok, some are 
fortunate enough that someone actually pays them to work on OSM, but 
most of us are not in that position).



I don't see how OSM would want to play this game. We don't see logic
in this. However, this make PR work.


Apparently there are people who think it is important. Why would we not 
want to improve on OSM by getting it know to the public? OSM starts to 
have a huge benefit for people. I can't download the maps for my 
navigation from Google, I get them from OSM. I certainly benefit from 
having a more complete Openstreetmap.


Regards,
Maarten


2013/5/25 Maarten Deen 


On 2013-05-25 07:09, James Mast wrote:

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/collapsed-i-5-bridge-gone-google-maps-almost-quickly-it-6C10067906 
[1]

[1]

If I remember correctly, we had it marked as "access=no" and the
segment removed about an hour faster than on Google. Somebody needs 
to

get ahold of Rosa from NBC (who did the "article") and let them know
about OSM pawning Google here.


Google is known by the public.
Recently there was an important addition to the motorways around 
Amsterdam here [1] (opening of the A5, 2e Coentunnel). Google didn't 
have correct maps until 1,5 week afterwards. Of course OSM had correct 
maps almost instantly (it was only unfortunate that there was a small 
error and that osrm only updates once a week).


Maybe we need to be more vocal and send out messages to various news 
sites when a new road is opened and it is on OSM and not on Google.


[1] 





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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[pec...@gmail.com]

For those who are still naive to think that journalists find out these
things themselves: Google has huge amount of money to waste on PR. If last
two years is evidence everyone is happy to advertise "new stuff" of their
maps, because it's very easy for people to relate to.

I don't see how OSM would want to play this game. We don't see logic in
this. However, this make PR work.

Peteris.


2013/5/25 Maarten Deen 

> On 2013-05-25 07:09, James Mast wrote:
>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/**technology/collapsed-i-5-**
>> bridge-gone-google-maps-**almost-quickly-it-6C10067906
>> [1]
>>
>>
>> If I remember correctly, we had it marked as "access=no" and the
>> segment removed about an hour faster than on Google. Somebody needs to
>> get ahold of Rosa from NBC (who did the "article") and let them know
>> about OSM pawning Google here.
>>
>
> Google is known by the public.
> Recently there was an important addition to the motorways around Amsterdam
> here [1] (opening of the A5, 2e Coentunnel). Google didn't have correct
> maps until 1,5 week afterwards. Of course OSM had correct maps almost
> instantly (it was only unfortunate that there was a small error and that
> osrm only updates once a week).
>
> Maybe we need to be more vocal and send out messages to various news sites
> when a new road is opened and it is on OSM and not on Google.
>
> [1]  14&layers=M
> >
>
> Regards,
> Maarten
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-05-25 07:09, James Mast wrote:

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/collapsed-i-5-bridge-gone-google-maps-almost-quickly-it-6C10067906
[1]

If I remember correctly, we had it marked as "access=no" and the
segment removed about an hour faster than on Google. Somebody needs to
get ahold of Rosa from NBC (who did the "article") and let them know
about OSM pawning Google here.


Google is known by the public.
Recently there was an important addition to the motorways around 
Amsterdam here [1] (opening of the A5, 2e Coentunnel). Google didn't 
have correct maps until 1,5 week afterwards. Of course OSM had correct 
maps almost instantly (it was only unfortunate that there was a small 
error and that osrm only updates once a week).


Maybe we need to be more vocal and send out messages to various news 
sites when a new road is opened and it is on OSM and not on Google.


[1] 



Regards,
Maarten


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[OSM-talk] Google Maps being "praised" for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

[James Mast]

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/collapsed-i-5-bridge-gone-google-maps-almost-quickly-it-6C10067906
 
If I remember correctly, we had it marked as "access=no" and the segment 
removed about an hour faster than on Google.  Somebody needs to get ahold of 
Rosa from NBC (who did the "article") and let them know about OSM pawning 
Google here.
 
-James
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