Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-31 Thread Claudius
Am 30.05.2010 22:00, Stan Berka:
 Since I'm using Potlatch to edit the map, I start the tagging of a
 walking path/road etc. by selecting the presets for the walking man.
 Then, I select by the surface and permissibility, which for a peds only,
 gravel, 4ft wide public path ends up as higway=track and surface=gravel.
 But isn't highway=footway the preferred tagging for this?

highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used 
by a 4 wheel vehicle. If it's that wide and has tracks than you should 
tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no.
If it's a pedestrian footway in urban surroundings I would use 
highway=footway, if it's a rural hiking/walking trail I would prefer 
highway=path + foot=yes

You see: Endless tagging opportunities :)

Claudius


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Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de:
 highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used
 by a 4 wheel vehicle.


+1


 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should
 tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no.



actually the case which is IMHO more difficult to decide is when the
access is physically restricted by heavy obstacles (massive rock
pieces, etc.). I tend not to use track in these cases nonetheless the
width would fit, but often you cannot check all possible ways to go to
this specific point (e.g. it could be that the road is blocked there
by a heavy stone block but you could arrive from the other side).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-31 Thread Gilles Bassière
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de:
 highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used
 by a 4 wheel vehicle.
 
 +1
 
 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should
 tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no.
 
 actually the case which is IMHO more difficult to decide is when the
 access is physically restricted by heavy obstacles (massive rock
 pieces, etc.). I tend not to use track in these cases nonetheless the
 width would fit, but often you cannot check all possible ways to go to
 this specific point (e.g. it could be that the road is blocked there
 by a heavy stone block but you could arrive from the other side).
 
 cheers,
 Martin

I would use highway=track even if there is some sort of obstacle. In my
opinion, the obstacle is a different feature and it could be tagged with
barrier=*.

I recently did this at: http://osm.org/go/xVu3bVDRq--

Hope it helps

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Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer
http://gbassiere.free.fr/

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[OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-30 Thread Stan Berka
Since I'm using Potlatch to edit the map, I start the tagging of a walking
path/road etc. by selecting the presets for the walking man. Then, I
select by the surface and permissibility, which for a peds only, gravel, 4ft
wide public path ends up as higway=track and surface=gravel. But isn't
highway=footway the preferred tagging for this?

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Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:12:31 +0200
From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
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On 30 May 2010 09:40, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 30 May 2010 15:39, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
 If the dispute can not be resolved through discussion, then the simple
 default rule is that whatever name, designation, etc are used by the
people
 on the ground at that location are used in the non-localized tags.

 Isn't that kinda asking for an edit war where there is disputed
 territory with different names by different languages possibly in
 multiple languages?

Why?  By my reading it is to quiet such edit wars, so the exact
opposite.  See how this rule is applied in Belgium with streets having
three names and all three printed on street signs.

Cheers



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Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:16:34 -0400
From: Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Questions regarding the mapping of hiking
   trails
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On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 03:21 +, John F. Eldredge wrote:
 Also, the name Van Hoevenburg Trail doesn't necessarily mean that it
passes through the Van Hoevenburg Property.  That might be the name of the
current land-owner, the name of a former land-owner, or simply the name of
some notable person whom the trail was named after.



thanks for your answers.
By property, I was referring to the key/value pairs to tag ways, not
anything else...

Sami Dalouche




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On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:40 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
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 On 30 May 2010 15:39, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
  If the dispute can not be resolved through discussion, then the simple
  default rule is that whatever name, designation, etc are used by the
 people
  on the ground at that location are used in the non-localized tags.

 Isn't that kinda asking for an edit war where there is disputed
 territory with different names by different languages possibly in
 multiple languages?


From what I can tell, it was actually the solution to such an edit war.
 How
map what the people on the ground say turned into map what's on the
ground, I can't figure out.
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