Re: [OSM-talk] I added MAPS.ME to list of entities using OSM data illegally (without proper attribution)

[Nuno Caldeira]

you understood me wrong. I meant it was a good example of compliance. it's
a fair and correct solution. don't understand why others (including OSMF
corporate members) don't do the same.

A terça, 8/10/2019, 20:37, Clifford Snow  escreveu:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 11:33 AM Nuno Caldeira <
> nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of attribution, here's a great example by Microsoft Bing maps,
>> that has attribution based on the zoom level, they seem to be using OSM
>> buildings and HERE roads
>> https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=39.97203083116834~-8.634339&lvl=10&style=r&FORM=BMLOGO
>>
>>
>> Up until they got contacted by OSMF to fix the attribution, nothing will
>> happen and won't comply. They do not reply or give lazy excuses when a
>> contributor approaches them
>>
> Nuno I'm confused by your statement on Bing maps. The clearly attribute
> OSM when zoomed in. If they only use HERE data when zoomed out, what
> requirements do they have to attribute OSM and if so on what basis? When
> zoomed in, both HERE and OSM are attributed.
>
> OT - One of the problems I noticed using two different data sources in
> Portugal is roads intersecting buildings. I've never been to Portugal - how
> good is OSM compared to HERE? Why can't they drop HERE and just use OSM?
>
> Best,
> Clifford
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] I added MAPS.ME to list of entities using OSM data illegally (without proper attribution)

[Nuno Caldeira]

about their choice of using HERE, I'm not aware of the reason. OSM road
network in Portugal is quite good.

A terça, 8/10/2019, 20:39, Nuno Caldeira 
escreveu:

> you understood me wrong. I meant it was a good example of compliance. it's
> a fair and correct solution. don't understand why others (including OSMF
> corporate members) don't do the same.
>
> A terça, 8/10/2019, 20:37, Clifford Snow 
> escreveu:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 11:33 AM Nuno Caldeira <
>> nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of attribution, here's a great example by Microsoft Bing maps,
>>> that has attribution based on the zoom level, they seem to be using OSM
>>> buildings and HERE roads
>>> https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=39.97203083116834~-8.634339&lvl=10&style=r&FORM=BMLOGO
>>>
>>>
>>> Up until they got contacted by OSMF to fix the attribution, nothing will
>>> happen and won't comply. They do not reply or give lazy excuses when a
>>> contributor approaches them
>>>
>> Nuno I'm confused by your statement on Bing maps. The clearly attribute
>> OSM when zoomed in. If they only use HERE data when zoomed out, what
>> requirements do they have to attribute OSM and if so on what basis? When
>> zoomed in, both HERE and OSM are attributed.
>>
>> OT - One of the problems I noticed using two different data sources in
>> Portugal is roads intersecting buildings. I've never been to Portugal - how
>> good is OSM compared to HERE? Why can't they drop HERE and just use OSM?
>>
>> Best,
>> Clifford
>>
>> --
>> @osm_washington
>> www.snowandsnow.us
>> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] I added MAPS.ME to list of entities using OSM data illegally (without proper attribution)

[Clifford Snow]

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 11:33 AM Nuno Caldeira 
wrote:

> Speaking of attribution, here's a great example by Microsoft Bing maps,
> that has attribution based on the zoom level, they seem to be using OSM
> buildings and HERE roads
> https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=39.97203083116834~-8.634339&lvl=10&style=r&FORM=BMLOGO
>
>
> Up until they got contacted by OSMF to fix the attribution, nothing will
> happen and won't comply. They do not reply or give lazy excuses when a
> contributor approaches them
>
Nuno I'm confused by your statement on Bing maps. The clearly attribute OSM
when zoomed in. If they only use HERE data when zoomed out, what
requirements do they have to attribute OSM and if so on what basis? When
zoomed in, both HERE and OSM are attributed.

OT - One of the problems I noticed using two different data sources in
Portugal is roads intersecting buildings. I've never been to Portugal - how
good is OSM compared to HERE? Why can't they drop HERE and just use OSM?

Best,
Clifford

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Re: [OSM-talk] I added MAPS.ME to list of entities using OSM data illegally (without proper attribution)

[Nuno Caldeira]

Sadly i have contacted them before. Not fixed.

Also keep in mind that Moveit lists us  as "partners", which we 
obviously don't https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tranzmate


Karta also does not 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kartatech.karta.gps 
and the funny thing is that the company behind the app also provides 
this https://ndrive.com/product/osm/ which i wonder if their "work" they 
do is license compliance and where can we get it to import to OSM (as 
this must be shared under the same license). read the describtion on 
their website


Fatmap replied me they used multiple sources (where have i heard that), 
told me they are working with OSM (asked with whom twice, they never 
replied) and with Mapbo to fix it.



Speaking of attribution, here's a great example by Microsoft Bing maps, 
that has attribution based on the zoom level, they seem to be using OSM 
buildings and HERE roads 
https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=39.97203083116834~-8.634339&lvl=10&style=r&FORM=BMLOGO



Up until they got contacted by OSMF to fix the attribution, nothing will 
happen and won't comply. They do not reply or give lazy excuses when a 
contributor approaches them



Às 17:52 de 08/10/2019, Mateusz Konieczny escreveu:

current situation is a clear violation of the ODBL license

You must include a notice associated with
the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses,
views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the
Produced
Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative
Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and
that it
is available under this License.

Useful part of MAPS.ME application is based solely on OSM data.

Their app is quite useful, unfortunately they decided to hide OSM 
attribution as deeply as
possible and pretend that it is OK. They have attribution visible to 
user in bottom-right corner,

it reads "MAPS.ME".

They were notified about problem on July.

See https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/11203 and
https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/11845

Edit adding them to a list: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Lacking_proper_attribution&diff=1911505&oldid=1901931


In case of continued noncompliance I plan to write polite letter 
explaining that following OSM

license is not optional and ask OSMF / Legal Working Group to send it.



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[OSM-talk] I added MAPS.ME to list of entities using OSM data illegally (without proper attribution)

[Mateusz Konieczny]

current situation is a clear violation of the ODBL license

>
> You must include a notice associated with
> the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses,
> views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced
> Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative
> Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it
> is available under this License.
>
Useful part of MAPS.ME application is based solely on OSM data.

Their app is quite useful, unfortunately they decided to hide OSM attribution 
as deeply as
possible and pretend that it is OK. They have attribution visible to user in 
bottom-right corner,
it reads "MAPS.ME".

They were notified about problem on July.

See https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/11203 
 and
https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/11845

Edit adding them to a list: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Lacking_proper_attribution&diff=1911505&oldid=1901931
 


In case of continued noncompliance I plan to write polite letter explaining 
that following OSM
license is not optional and ask OSMF / Legal Working Group to send it.


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