Re: [OSM-talk] If a school is a shelter when a disaster happens...

[Eric Christensen]

On Thursday, December 31, 2015 07:38:55 AM Dongpo Deng wrote:
> Hi Maarteen and Maning,
> 
> Thank you guys for comments.
> 
> I agree with Marteen's opinion. The social_facility is difficult to be
> applied for emergency. social_facility = shelter seems mostly to be used
> for homeless people or refugees [1]. Thus, the wiki page of social_facility
> = shelter [2] is really confused.
> 
> Maning's suggestion is great! I will recommend Taiwanese mappers to
> use evacuation_center=yes
> for this case. It's also good for regional tag consistency.

Wouldn't emergency=shelter be better in this case?  I like the idea of keeping 
all emergency-related objects tagged with emergency=* to make them easier to 
find.

--Eric

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Re: [OSM-talk] If a school is a shelter when a disaster happens...

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 30.12.2015 um 16:33 schrieb Dongpo Deng :
> 
> That is, we cannot simultaneously use amenity = school and amenity = 
> social_facility; social_facility = shelter for a school with shelter 
> functionality.



besides the precise tagging (social facility or emergency), I just want to 
point out that you can have 2 main tags for the same area (overlapping), just 
not on the same object. 
You could for instance have a way tagged as school and have this same way as an 
outer member for a multipoligon relation which gets the shelter tags.


Cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk] If a school is a shelter when a disaster happens...

[Maarten Deen]

On 2015-12-30 16:33, Dongpo Deng wrote:

Hi all,

There is a problem for tagging shelters. In Taiwan, some of schools
are selected to be shelters for villages or small regions when a
disaster happens. However, it is conflict to annotate two amenities on
a geometry object. That is, we cannot simultaneously use amenity =
school and amenity = social_facility; social_facility = shelter for a
school with shelter functionality.

Some Taiwanese mappers proposed to add 'emergency' as prefix for
distinguishing shelter, e.g.,
emergency : amenity =  amenity
emergency : social_facility = shelter

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4790949

I'm just wondering if it is a good manner for this case. Because the
tag 'emergency' is used for emergency facilities but not including
shelters. Thus, adding emergency prefix to amenity is suitable? Any
suggestions for such situation?


How about shelter=emergency?
I don't really see why social_facility would be applicable. I don't see 
why an emergency shelter would be connected to social services.


Regards,
Maarten


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Re: [OSM-talk] If a school is a shelter when a disaster happens...

[maning sambale]

In the Ph, by default, schools are used as evacuation centers (which is bad
since it disrupts school days during prolonged crisis but thats a separate
discussion). For these, we tag them as amenity=school and
evacuation_center=yes.

cheers,

Maning Sambale (mobile)
On Dec 30, 2015 9:47 PM, "Maarten Deen"  wrote:

> On 2015-12-30 16:33, Dongpo Deng wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> There is a problem for tagging shelters. In Taiwan, some of schools
>> are selected to be shelters for villages or small regions when a
>> disaster happens. However, it is conflict to annotate two amenities on
>> a geometry object. That is, we cannot simultaneously use amenity =
>> school and amenity = social_facility; social_facility = shelter for a
>> school with shelter functionality.
>>
>> Some Taiwanese mappers proposed to add 'emergency' as prefix for
>> distinguishing shelter, e.g.,
>> emergency : amenity =  amenity
>> emergency : social_facility = shelter
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4790949
>>
>> I'm just wondering if it is a good manner for this case. Because the
>> tag 'emergency' is used for emergency facilities but not including
>> shelters. Thus, adding emergency prefix to amenity is suitable? Any
>> suggestions for such situation?
>>
>
> How about shelter=emergency?
> I don't really see why social_facility would be applicable. I don't see
> why an emergency shelter would be connected to social services.
>
> Regards,
> Maarten
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] If a school is a shelter when a disaster happens...

[Dongpo Deng]

Hi Maarteen and Maning,

Thank you guys for comments.

I agree with Marteen's opinion. The social_facility is difficult to be
applied for emergency. social_facility = shelter seems mostly to be used
for homeless people or refugees [1]. Thus, the wiki page of social_facility
= shelter [2] is really confused.

Maning's suggestion is great! I will recommend Taiwanese mappers to
use evacuation_center=yes
for this case. It's also good for regional tag consistency.

[1]
http://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22social_facility%22%3D%22shelter%22+global
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dshelter

Cheers,
Dongpo

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:48 AM maning sambale 
wrote:

> In the Ph, by default, schools are used as evacuation centers (which is
> bad since it disrupts school days during prolonged crisis but thats a
> separate discussion). For these, we tag them as amenity=school and
> evacuation_center=yes.
>
> cheers,
>
> Maning Sambale (mobile)
> On Dec 30, 2015 9:47 PM, "Maarten Deen"  wrote:
>
>> On 2015-12-30 16:33, Dongpo Deng wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> There is a problem for tagging shelters. In Taiwan, some of schools
>>> are selected to be shelters for villages or small regions when a
>>> disaster happens. However, it is conflict to annotate two amenities on
>>> a geometry object. That is, we cannot simultaneously use amenity =
>>> school and amenity = social_facility; social_facility = shelter for a
>>> school with shelter functionality.
>>>
>>> Some Taiwanese mappers proposed to add 'emergency' as prefix for
>>> distinguishing shelter, e.g.,
>>> emergency : amenity =  amenity
>>> emergency : social_facility = shelter
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4790949
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering if it is a good manner for this case. Because the
>>> tag 'emergency' is used for emergency facilities but not including
>>> shelters. Thus, adding emergency prefix to amenity is suitable? Any
>>> suggestions for such situation?
>>>
>>
>> How about shelter=emergency?
>> I don't really see why social_facility would be applicable. I don't see
>> why an emergency shelter would be connected to social services.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maarten
>>
>>
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[OSM-talk] If a school is a shelter when a disaster happens...

[Dongpo Deng]

Hi all,

There is a problem for tagging shelters. In Taiwan, some of schools are
selected to be shelters for villages or small regions when a disaster
happens. However, it is conflict to annotate two amenities on a geometry
object. That is, we cannot simultaneously use amenity = school and amenity
= social_facility; social_facility = shelter for a school with shelter
functionality.

Some Taiwanese mappers proposed to add 'emergency' as prefix for
distinguishing shelter, e.g.,
emergency : amenity =  amenity
emergency : social_facility = shelter

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4790949

I'm just wondering if it is a good manner for this case. Because the tag
'emergency' is used for emergency facilities but not including shelters.
Thus, adding emergency prefix to amenity is suitable? Any suggestions for
such situation?

Cheers,
Dongpo
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