Re: [OSM-talk] Licence compatibility (was Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag)

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Thanks Richard. Understood about coordinates. I suspect that most of the
Wikidata+OSM value is not related to Wikipedia's geolocations, but rather
multilingual names, object classifications, links to multiple Wikipedia
languages, and an ability to query connected graph data.  To my knowledge,
these are the main usecases by our data consumers.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:25 AM Richard Fairhurst 
wrote:

> Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> OpenStreetMap takes and has always taken a whiter-than-white view of
> copyright. We aim to provide a dataset that anyone can use without fear of
> legal repercussions. It is not OSM's role to explore interesting grey areas
> in copyright, nor to push things to the extent that a court case is
> necessary.
>
> It has been settled for many years that we do not take co-ordinates from
> Wikipedia. They are mostly encumbered with Google copyright:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates#Google_tools
>
> This is not a new issue and has been mentioned before in connection with
> Wikidata referencing.
>
> Our data is principally hosted in the UK and the OSM Foundation is a
> company
> registered in England & Wales, so as a broad assumption UK law applies
> (which is fairly maximalist on copyright and follows the sweat-of-the-brow
> doctrine) as well as the EU database right, at least until this benighted
> country takes leave of its senses forever and leaves the EU. :(
>
> Follow-ups probably best to legal-talk@.
>
> Richard
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Licence compatibility (was Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag)

[Richard Fairhurst]

Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> Also, what about the location where data is combined?  E.g. if wikidata 
> is in public domain, and US courts agree with that statement, anyone 
> in the US can combine it with OSM data?  What about UK?   In any 
> case, i suspect nothing we decide has any merit until the actual court 
> case in any of the locations.

OpenStreetMap takes and has always taken a whiter-than-white view of
copyright. We aim to provide a dataset that anyone can use without fear of
legal repercussions. It is not OSM's role to explore interesting grey areas
in copyright, nor to push things to the extent that a court case is
necessary.

It has been settled for many years that we do not take co-ordinates from
Wikipedia. They are mostly encumbered with Google copyright:
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates#Google_tools

This is not a new issue and has been mentioned before in connection with
Wikidata referencing.

Our data is principally hosted in the UK and the OSM Foundation is a company
registered in England & Wales, so as a broad assumption UK law applies
(which is fairly maximalist on copyright and follows the sweat-of-the-brow
doctrine) as well as the EU database right, at least until this benighted
country takes leave of its senses forever and leaves the EU. :( 

Follow-ups probably best to legal-talk@.

Richard



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Re: [OSM-talk] Licence compatibility (was Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag)

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Interesting question, especially considering that all other external data
sources have much more restrictive license - e.g. mapilary id or any
url/website tag (which is technically also an ID into another data
source)...
Also, what about the location where data is combined?  E.g. if wikidata is
in public domain, and US courts agree with that statement, anyone in the US
can combine it with OSM data?  What about UK?   In any case, i suspect
nothing we decide has any merit until the actual court case in any of the
locations.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:58 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 02/10/2017 02:56, Paul Norman wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/2017 5:39 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
>>
>>> Lastly, if the coordinates are different, you may not copy it from OSM
>>> to Wikidata because of the difference in the license.
>>>
>>
>> Just for clarity and anyone reading the archives later, copying from
>> Wikidata to OSM is also a problem because Wikidata permits coordinate
>> sources like Wikipedia or Google Earth.
>>
>> _
>>
> Would a data consumer be able to legally combine OSM and
> wikipedia/wikidata data in any meaningful way, given this fundamental
> licence incompatibility?  What requirements would they have to fulfil with
> their combined data?  The OSM side of things is discussed in some detail at
> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ , but
> what about requirements due to other data in there?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
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[OSM-talk] Licence compatibility (was Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag)

[Andy Townsend]

On 02/10/2017 02:56, Paul Norman wrote:

On 10/1/2017 5:39 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
Lastly, if the coordinates are different, you may not copy it from 
OSM to Wikidata because of the difference in the license.


Just for clarity and anyone reading the archives later, copying from 
Wikidata to OSM is also a problem because Wikidata permits coordinate 
sources like Wikipedia or Google Earth.


_
Would a data consumer be able to legally combine OSM and 
wikipedia/wikidata data in any meaningful way, given this fundamental 
licence incompatibility?  What requirements would they have to fulfil 
with their combined data?  The OSM side of things is discussed in some 
detail at 
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ , but 
what about requirements due to other data in there?


Best Regards,

Andy


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