Re: [OSM-talk] Moderator statement. Please read before posting

[Hans De Kryger]

Well said Michael, thanks!

Regards,
Hans
On Nov 2, 2014 2:26 AM, "Michael Collinson"  wrote:

>  Rule 1: Have Fun!
>
> The OSM project depends on folks participating because we want to and
> because, measured in our own terms, we have fun. Whoever we are. Whatever
> we do.
>
> Crowdsourcing depends on as many people as possible being involved and
> engaged. For us, that means women and men, professors and school children,
> folks from literally every country in the world, non-native and native
> English speakers.  All are on this list. Repeat: All are on this list.  We
> welcome you.  We hope you will stay and read ... and may be get into
> posting too.  We are not doing a very good job at that, are we?
>
> So, "Steve's better map" thread. Let's end it.  Rational, courteous
> presentation and discussion of visions is of vital importance, particularly
> on this international list. So, if there are positive things you want to
> pick up as specific new threads, please go ahead ... but be guided by my
> advice below.
>
> Lastly, and I know at least one of the principal players has signed up for
> this. A truly great free MOOC course is starting again tomorrow, 3rd
> November.  If you want to be more effective in forming opinion in
> OpenStreetMap to the point that things actually happen, sign up. At
> minimum, focus on watching the first and last videos in the course.  The
> course is much more general than the title suggests.
>
> *Inspiring Leadership through Emotional Intelligence*
> *https://www.coursera.org/course/lead-ei
> * (English with English, Chinese
> (Simplified), Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian subtitles).
>
> Mike
>
> *Mike's personal checklist for dealing with "stormy weather"*
>
> I have evolved this after many years on this list and our occasional
> "storms".  I am aiming this at the active Thinkers within our community
> whose input I respect and encourage:
>
> o Think of your whole audience (above) and how to engage them.  Most of
> your audience will never actually reply to you.  [Although every now and
> again you will get a really nice offlist message. They always make my day.]
>
> o Engage positively, the academic buzz-word is "Positive Attractors" ...
> watch the first course videos.  After all, you want to persuade people that
> You Are Right.  That, whether you like it or not, is done emotionally as
> well as logically.
>
> o When there is a "storm". Post less (or may be not at all), not more.  I
> am a native English-speaker and scan-reader (= I can read very quickly),
> but not even I can keep up with the current thread, so I miss interesting
> and thought-provoking things  ... so what about everyone else?  Wait a day,
> structure what you want to say strategically over two or three well placed
> mailings.  (If you follow the totality of *all* my postings to all lists
> over the last two weeks, you will see I am doing exactly this.  And I will
> win eventually!)
>
> o Separate personalities from their arguments. If you want say You Are
> Wrong, it is perfectly possible to say this without direct personal attack.
> Yep, some people will violate this and upset you, just ignore it.
>
> o Separate people's character from their ideas.  ... Oh, I have already
> said that.  :-)
>
> o Lastly. A positive argument, crisis, storm, whatever, has two phases.
> The first can be unpleasant if we are not all 100% emotionally and socially
> very intelligent, which alas we are not.  "Airing dirty washing" (English
> idiom = talking publicly about things that were previously private).
> Violent disagreements.  Healthy, but highly adversarial debate. And so on.
> It is only positive if there is a second closure phase, that involves calm
> reflection, consensus-seeking, taking other people's views into account ...
> and deciding on a course of action that you may not be 100% happy with, but
> a large number of people are ... And we actually do something!  It really
> annoys how little we consciously move on to the that ultra-important phase
> 2!
>
>
>
>
>
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[OSM-talk] Moderator statement. Please read before posting

[Michael Collinson]

Rule 1: Have Fun!

The OSM project depends on folks participating because we want to and 
because, measured in our own terms, we have fun. Whoever we are. 
Whatever we do.


Crowdsourcing depends on as many people as possible being involved and 
engaged. For us, that means women and men, professors and school 
children, folks from literally every country in the world, non-native 
and native English speakers.  All are on this list. Repeat: All are on 
this list.  We welcome you.  We hope you will stay and read ... and may 
be get into posting too.  We are not doing a very good job at that, are we?


So, "Steve's better map" thread. Let's end it.  Rational, courteous 
presentation and discussion of visions is of vital importance, 
particularly on this international list. So, if there are positive 
things you want to pick up as specific new threads, please go ahead ... 
but be guided by my advice below.


Lastly, and I know at least one of the principal players has signed up 
for this. A truly great free MOOC course is starting again tomorrow, 3rd 
November.  If you want to be more effective in forming opinion in 
OpenStreetMap to the point that things actually happen, sign up. At 
minimum, focus on watching the first and last videos in the course.  The 
course is much more general than the title suggests.


*Inspiring Leadership through Emotional Intelligence**
**https://www.coursera.org/course/lead-ei* (English with English, 
Chinese (Simplified), Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian subtitles).


Mike

*Mike's personal checklist for dealing with "stormy weather"*

I have evolved this after many years on this list and our occasional 
"storms".  I am aiming this at the active Thinkers within our community 
whose input I respect and encourage:


o Think of your whole audience (above) and how to engage them.  Most of 
your audience will never actually reply to you.  [Although every now and 
again you will get a really nice offlist message. They always make my day.]


o Engage positively, the academic buzz-word is "Positive Attractors" ... 
watch the first course videos.  After all, you want to persuade people 
that You Are Right.  That, whether you like it or not, is done 
emotionally as well as logically.


o When there is a "storm". Post less (or may be not at all), not more.  
I am a native English-speaker and scan-reader (= I can read very 
quickly), but not even I can keep up with the current thread, so I miss 
interesting and thought-provoking things  ... so what about everyone 
else?  Wait a day, structure what you want to say strategically over two 
or three well placed mailings.  (If you follow the totality of *all* my 
postings to all lists over the last two weeks, you will see I am doing 
exactly this.  And I will win eventually!)


o Separate personalities from their arguments. If you want say You Are 
Wrong, it is perfectly possible to say this without direct personal 
attack. Yep, some people will violate this and upset you, just ignore it.


o Separate people's character from their ideas.  ... Oh, I have already 
said that.  :-)


o Lastly. A positive argument, crisis, storm, whatever, has two phases.  
The first can be unpleasant if we are not all 100% emotionally and 
socially very intelligent, which alas we are not. "Airing dirty washing" 
(English idiom = talking publicly about things that were previously 
private).  Violent disagreements. Healthy, but highly adversarial 
debate. And so on.  It is only positive if there is a second closure 
phase, that involves calm reflection, consensus-seeking, taking other 
people's views into account ... and deciding on a course of action that 
you may not be 100% happy with, but a large number of people are ... And 
we actually do something!  It really annoys how little we consciously 
move on to the that ultra-important phase 2!





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