Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[Peter Devoy]

Looks very similar to this infrastructure on Second Thomas Shoal:
http://maritime-connector.com/images/second-thomas-shoal-7-flagsmaps-20760.jpg

Source:
http://maritime-connector.com/news/security-and-piracy/tension-mounts-at-south-china-sea-over-territorial-dispute/

>There's a secret elevator that leads to an underground bunker
Second quote from the bottom...
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/154460/duterte-occupy-ph-islands-south-china-sea
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Come to think about it looks indeed as a small resort. There is no 
helipad, no pier to accept heavier armored boats.


This case shows a limitation of satellite imagery. It is hard to tell by 
looking at the roofs from above what it is. But if in addition to the 
satellite imagery we had an oblique aerial image like this one for example:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Beach-Chayka-aerial-2.jpg
it would be a much easier task. One such aerial photo would be enough 
for the whole reef.


I did not have time to go along the streets to film "street view" 
photos, but it took me about couple of minutes to shoot this aerial photo.


Best regards,
Oleksiy

On 01.08.17 21:37, Sérgio V. wrote:


It's also there with Digital Globe Premium at:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/8.35838/115.23794
I bet (a beer) it's a single family's private resort:
What you see is a small bungalow with a wooden deck, a small boat 5m 
to Northeast, and two big beach umbrellas (one for the couple, the 
other for the children), like these:

The blue one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blue-Jumbrella-Giant-Umbrella-Parasol-5x5M-Crank-Handle-Commercial-Quality/272772644331

And the white one:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/7-meter-Deluxe-big-patio-umbrellas/1870364994.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[James]

Sérgio, that's what they want you to think. There's a secret elevator that
leads to an underground bunker 😝

On Aug 1, 2017 2:41 PM, "Sérgio V."  wrote:

> It's also there with Digital Globe Premium at:
> 
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/8.35838/115.23794
> I bet (a beer) it's a single family's private resort:
> What you see is a small bungalow with a wooden deck, a small boat 5m to
> Northeast, and two big beach umbrellas (one for the couple, the other for
> the children), like these:
> The blue one:
>
>
> 
> 
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blue-Jumbrella-Giant-Umbrella-
> Parasol-5x5M-Crank-Handle-Commercial-Quality/272772644331
>
> And the white one:
>
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/7-meter-Deluxe-big-patio-
> umbrellas/1870364994.html
>
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>
> Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[Sérgio V .]

It's also there with Digital Globe Premium at:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/8.35838/115.23794
I bet (a beer) it's a single family's private resort:
What you see is a small bungalow with a wooden deck, a small boat 5m to 
Northeast, and two big beach umbrellas (one for the couple, the other for the 
children), like these:
The blue one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blue-Jumbrella-Giant-Umbrella-Parasol-5x5M-Crank-Handle-Commercial-Quality/272772644331

And the white one:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/7-meter-Deluxe-big-patio-umbrellas/1870364994.html


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[Warin]

On 31-Jul-17 09:42 PM, althio wrote:

On 31 July 2017 at 13:25, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

Anyone fancy doing a survey? ;-)

No, thank you all the same :)


One of the new aircraft carriers could pass by on their 'right of passage' 
trip. Someone on board might be able to do a visual survey.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Yes, a good point. I wanted to say, that it is technically doable.

Certainly, for organizing such an expedition it is necessary to take 
into account meteorology, legal aspects, flight planning, etc.


Best regards,
O.

On 31.07.17 15:40, James wrote:

In before osm community causes international dispute

On Jul 31, 2017 8:37 AM, "Oleksiy Muzalyev" 
mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>> wrote:


Hi Andy,

Actually it is doable. The TAM-5, 11-pound RC plane, flew 1,888
miles from Canada to Ireland over the Atlantic ocean in 38 hours
still in 2003 [1].

The distance from Puerto Princesa City, Philippines, to this reef
is only 265 miles. And the technology is much better now. A RC
plane of this small size is invisible to radars.

It would be about ten hours flight. Nowadays electric RC gliders
can stay in the air times longer [2]. Certainly, such a flight is
possible only with a good weather forecast for the whole route.

[1]
https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/model-plane-flies-atlantic

[2] https://youtu.be/8m4_NpTQn0E

Best regards.
Oleksiy

On 31.07.17 14:25, Andy Mabbett wrote:

...
What is this place on Google Maps?
https://goo.gl/maps/qF8YXxr86zo 
  ...
Anyone fancy doing a survey? ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[James]

In before osm community causes international dispute

On Jul 31, 2017 8:37 AM, "Oleksiy Muzalyev" 
wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> Actually it is doable. The TAM-5, 11-pound RC plane, flew 1,888 miles from
> Canada to Ireland over the Atlantic ocean in 38 hours still in 2003 [1].
>
> The distance from Puerto Princesa City, Philippines, to this reef is only
> 265 miles. And the technology is much better now. A RC plane of this small
> size is invisible to radars.
>
> It would be about ten hours flight. Nowadays electric RC gliders can stay
> in the air times longer [2]. Certainly, such a flight is possible only with
> a good weather forecast for the whole route.
>
> [1] https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/model-plane-
> flies-atlantic
> [2] https://youtu.be/8m4_NpTQn0E
>
> Best regards.
> Oleksiy
>
> On 31.07.17 14:25, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>
>> ...
>> What is this place on Google Maps? https://goo.gl/maps/qF8YXxr86zo
>>   ...
>> Anyone fancy doing a survey? ;-)
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Hi Andy,

Actually it is doable. The TAM-5, 11-pound RC plane, flew 1,888 miles 
from Canada to Ireland over the Atlantic ocean in 38 hours still in 2003 
[1].


The distance from Puerto Princesa City, Philippines, to this reef is 
only 265 miles. And the technology is much better now. A RC plane of 
this small size is invisible to radars.


It would be about ten hours flight. Nowadays electric RC gliders can 
stay in the air times longer [2]. Certainly, such a flight is possible 
only with a good weather forecast for the whole route.


[1] 
https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/model-plane-flies-atlantic

[2] https://youtu.be/8m4_NpTQn0E

Best regards.
Oleksiy

On 31.07.17 14:25, Andy Mabbett wrote:

...
What is this place on Google Maps? https://goo.gl/maps/qF8YXxr86zo
  ...
Anyone fancy doing a survey? ;-)

...




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Re: [OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[althio]

On 31 July 2017 at 13:25, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> Anyone fancy doing a survey? ;-)

No, thank you all the same :)

More to see and to read, could be radar, weapons, water treatment and whatnot:
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-nature-of-the-hexagonal-structure-China-is-building-in-the-South-China-Sea

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[OSM-talk] Mystery structure on a South China Sea reef

[Andy Mabbett]

I just noticed this question on Quora:

  What is this place on Google Maps? https://goo.gl/maps/qF8YXxr86zo

  
https://www.quora.com/unanswered/What-is-this-place-on-Google-Maps-https-goo-gl-maps-qF8YXxr86zo

The coordinates are 8.358,115.2372584 and the object referred to
appears to be a house-sized structure, on Commodore Reef, in the South
China Sea

There is nothing showing on OSM at that location.

Anyone fancy doing a survey? ;-)

Also, there is a node on the reef with name=Northeast Shea

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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