Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
Relevant to this thread: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11379535 First edit by a user deleted a good chunk of the Brazilian territorial waters boundary. I have sent a message to the user and will likely revert this changeset. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: It would be _super_ good if we had some tool that would flag and notify some advanced active mapper in a given area of any changesets that delete more than 2 features. .. I'd be totally up for checking any and all changesets in Haiti that delete _anything_. .. And I would include merges into this deletion category. (The Airport Road of PaP is still a 2km bridge after a misguided edit w/ a merge perhaps 2wks ago -- haven't had the time to fix that and neither has anyone else, it seems..) I tend to use ITO World's osm mapper for that: http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map It doesn't show deletions, but new wedding map editors usually end up changing something, and where I live it's relatively easy to spot new editors among the usual ones. Whether this would be feasible for an entire country I'm not sure (a quick check suggests that you'd need 6 areas to cover the country, and the bit of Haiti covering Port-Au-Prince gets roughly twice the changesets* as my bit of Derbyshire does). Cheers, Andy * entirely unscientific sample ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
It would be _super_ good if we had some tool that would flag and notify some advanced active mapper in a given area of any changesets that delete more than 2 features. .. I'd be totally up for checking any and all changesets in Haiti that delete _anything_. This is an increasing problem and especially where there's limited number of advanced mappers _actively_ monitoring and fixing an area this issue can become a killer for the map in that area. .. And I would include merges into this deletion category. (The Airport Road of PaP is still a 2km bridge after a misguided edit w/ a merge perhaps 2wks ago -- haven't had the time to fix that and neither has anyone else, it seems..) Cheers from sunny Hispanola -- the island of one soon sinking capital city (sinking from The Map, that is), -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:56:08 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New editors This seems to be a recurring thing. I have personally caught, contacted and reverted 3 people who just wanted a simplified map of an area. I just happened to spot their edits in LiveEditMapViewer. I haven't really been paying as much attention to it lately so I'm sure a number of such edits have slipped through. Somehow the users didn't understand that they were saving their changes to THE database and that it would affect everyone who uses OSM data. I'm not sure how to get the message across any better. Toby On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( ... I couldn't help laughing, that's actually pretty funny. Did you contact the user? Yes, I sent a message, but got no reply. Perhaps they were too embarrassed, so the revert will be initiated. It would be funny to get the printed wedding invitation, containing just the remaining major streets! This kind of wedding map edit actually happened to my country in 2010. :-) http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-June/002314.html I wonder what the intent of the user was? It appears to me that they were attempting to create a certain type of map by altering the data. Here on the list we would argue that the issue the user is tackling is a rendering issue, not a data issue. Is this a clue to a different way of rendering? In the same way that streetmap and cyclemap have the same data but produce different looking maps? Perhaps a renderer could make a weddingmap :-D It could work by having the user center the map on their one point of interest, and then the rendering process would have high detail around that center point, but have the detail drop off successively the greater the distance from the center point. So minor streets around the wedding venue would be rendered because that is useful for navigation and parking. But minor streets further away from the venue would not be rendered, because the intent is to highlight only the chosen point of interest and major transportation routes to that point. nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 17:28 +, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: It would be _super_ good if we had some tool that would flag and notify some advanced active mapper in a given area of any changesets that delete more than 2 features. .. I'd be totally up for checking any and all changesets in Haiti that delete _anything_. This is an increasing problem and especially where there's limited number of advanced mappers _actively_ monitoring and fixing an area this issue can become a killer for the map in that area. .. And I would include merges into this deletion category. (The Airport Road of PaP is still a 2km bridge after a misguided edit w/ a merge perhaps 2wks ago -- haven't had the time to fix that and neither has anyone else, it seems..) Cheers from sunny Hispanola -- the island of one soon sinking capital city (sinking from The Map, that is), -Jaakko Is there an easy means to spot changes in a particular area? I did have an rss feed on from http://osm-changepipe.s3.amazonaws.com but that stopped updating at the beginning of March. The main osm website shows changes in an area, but includes global type edits so sometimes spotting changes that affect the area can be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Phil ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 17:28 +, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: It would be _super_ good if we had some tool that would flag and notify some advanced active mapper in a given area of any changesets that delete more than 2 features. .. I'd be totally up for checking any and all changesets in Haiti that delete _anything_. This is an increasing problem and especially where there's limited number of advanced mappers _actively_ monitoring and fixing an area this issue can become a killer for the map in that area. .. And I would include merges into this deletion category. (The Airport Road of PaP is still a 2km bridge after a misguided edit w/ a merge perhaps 2wks ago -- haven't had the time to fix that and neither has anyone else, it seems..) Cheers from sunny Hispanola -- the island of one soon sinking capital city (sinking from The Map, that is), -Jaakko Is there an easy means to spot changes in a particular area? I did have an rss feed on from http://osm-changepipe.s3.amazonaws.com but that stopped updating at the beginning of March. The main osm website shows changes in an area, but includes global type edits so sometimes spotting changes that affect the area can be like looking for a needle in a haystack. I use OWL: http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/ Unfortunately it is 2 weeks behind. I know there is an effort to get it a better server to run on. It's been talked about for a while. Not sure how close that is to getting done. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: ... But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( ... I couldn't help laughing, that's actually pretty funny. Did you contact the user? Greetings, Floris Looijesteijn ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
On 4/19/2012 3:50 AM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Mike Nnice...@att.net wrote: ... But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( ... I couldn't help laughing, that's actually pretty funny. Did you contact the user? Yes, I sent a message, but got no reply. Perhaps they were too embarrassed, so the revert will be initiated. It would be funny to get the printed wedding invitation, containing just the remaining major streets! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 4/19/2012 3:50 AM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Mike Nnice...@att.net wrote: ... But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( ... I couldn't help laughing, that's actually pretty funny. Did you contact the user? Yes, I sent a message, but got no reply. Perhaps they were too embarrassed, so the revert will be initiated. It would be funny to get the printed wedding invitation, containing just the remaining major streets! This kind of wedding map edit actually happened to my country in 2010. :-) http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-June/002314.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( ... I couldn't help laughing, that's actually pretty funny. Did you contact the user? Yes, I sent a message, but got no reply. Perhaps they were too embarrassed, so the revert will be initiated. It would be funny to get the printed wedding invitation, containing just the remaining major streets! This kind of wedding map edit actually happened to my country in 2010. :-) http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-June/002314.html I wonder what the intent of the user was? It appears to me that they were attempting to create a certain type of map by altering the data. Here on the list we would argue that the issue the user is tackling is a rendering issue, not a data issue. Is this a clue to a different way of rendering? In the same way that streetmap and cyclemap have the same data but produce different looking maps? Perhaps a renderer could make a weddingmap :-D It could work by having the user center the map on their one point of interest, and then the rendering process would have high detail around that center point, but have the detail drop off successively the greater the distance from the center point. So minor streets around the wedding venue would be rendered because that is useful for navigation and parking. But minor streets further away from the venue would not be rendered, because the intent is to highlight only the chosen point of interest and major transportation routes to that point. nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New editors
This seems to be a recurring thing. I have personally caught, contacted and reverted 3 people who just wanted a simplified map of an area. I just happened to spot their edits in LiveEditMapViewer. I haven't really been paying as much attention to it lately so I'm sure a number of such edits have slipped through. Somehow the users didn't understand that they were saving their changes to THE database and that it would affect everyone who uses OSM data. I'm not sure how to get the message across any better. Toby On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( ... I couldn't help laughing, that's actually pretty funny. Did you contact the user? Yes, I sent a message, but got no reply. Perhaps they were too embarrassed, so the revert will be initiated. It would be funny to get the printed wedding invitation, containing just the remaining major streets! This kind of wedding map edit actually happened to my country in 2010. :-) http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-June/002314.html I wonder what the intent of the user was? It appears to me that they were attempting to create a certain type of map by altering the data. Here on the list we would argue that the issue the user is tackling is a rendering issue, not a data issue. Is this a clue to a different way of rendering? In the same way that streetmap and cyclemap have the same data but produce different looking maps? Perhaps a renderer could make a weddingmap :-D It could work by having the user center the map on their one point of interest, and then the rendering process would have high detail around that center point, but have the detail drop off successively the greater the distance from the center point. So minor streets around the wedding venue would be rendered because that is useful for navigation and parking. But minor streets further away from the venue would not be rendered, because the intent is to highlight only the chosen point of interest and major transportation routes to that point. nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New editors
In this area, there's been a surprising number of new contributors in the last 2 months: about 5 altogether. This is most likely from publicity received from the news stories surrounding the #switch2osm cases. In one case, they had actually registered a year ago, but made no edits until now. But one newbie deleted about 300 streets, seemingly for a wedding-related event map :-( No new power editors yet, but there's always hope. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
