Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13/05/10 04:39, MP wrote: Some way to override Accept-language (without having to login) would be nice. We know - the only reason it hasn't been done yet is that I haven't found any space in the UI for the necessary link/button. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
After several thousand man years of effort by the License Working Group and a bit of help by TomH, the new contributor terms and license are up and to be agreed to by new users. Signing up here in OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/new will take you here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL (Open Database License). This is one step along the long path to moving to the ODbL. For all your fun ODbL needs, check out the wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODbL Why is this step being taken? Basically, it bounds the problem of moving to a license which actually protects and clarifies the uses of OSMs data. Otherwise, the number of people who have to move grows every day. From now on, it is a bounded problem of only the users before today. Several further steps will need to be taken to actually move to the ODbL. I'd like to thank all those involved in the ODbL and the LWG for all their hard work over the last two or so years in making this small step happen. And, remember, if you have any concerns or objections then they've likely already to have been discussed at the above wiki page(s), or you're welcome to be involved with the change process by joining the legal mailing list and/or joining the LWG calls. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 14:47, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms Here's what that says: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 00:47, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: will take you here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL (Open Database License). To save people creating new accounts, possibly using bogus details, just to see the new terms, can you post a screen shot or something similar? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 01:19, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6c/Contributor-terms.png Is the France/Italy options translations, or different terms? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 15:21, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 01:19, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6c/Contributor-terms.png Is the France/Italy options translations, or different terms? They're translations. They can be viewed in the rails.git source files, but I can't find a human readable thing (e.g. on the osmf wiki) anywhere that has a copy of them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 14:55, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 00:47, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: will take you here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL (Open Database License). To save people creating new accounts, possibly using bogus details, just to see the new terms, can you post a screen shot or something similar? Here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6c/Contributor-terms.png ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 01:24, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: They're translations. They can be viewed in the rails.git source files, but I can't find a human readable thing (e.g. on the osmf wiki) anywhere that has a copy of them. I would have thought it would have been a good idea to label those options in French or Italian rather than being allowed to be translated. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 15:29, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I would have thought it would have been a good idea to label those options in French or Italian rather than being allowed to be translated. No, all labels in the user interface should match the user's language. Currently it's only in English though because this was rolled out before we could have a Git - Translatewiki - Git cycle. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 01:56, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we should do content delivery once we've done the detection. That's my point, the language detection may not be 100% accurate, and this should be given special consideration on things like the signup page etc... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 12 May 2010 17:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 01:56, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we should do content delivery once we've done the detection. That's my point, the language detection may not be 100% accurate, and this should be given special consideration on things like the signup page etc... The wording is France-French and Italy-Italian specific. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/IT / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 16:22, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 12 May 2010 17:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 01:56, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we should do content delivery once we've done the detection. That's my point, the language detection may not be 100% accurate, and this should be given special consideration on things like the signup page etc... The wording is France-French and Italy-Italian specific. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/IT Good to have that on the wiki. Is anyone currently working on the informal guidance version of those terms? It would be nice if there was a translatable version somewhere (like the /copyright page) so that users that don't understand English, French or Italian legalese would get the gist of what the terms mean. I made an attempt at one on my osm blog[1]. Something short like that which the LWG can agree on would be nice to have. Then we could funnel it through Translatewiki and deploy it one the site. 1. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%C3%86var%20Arnfj%C3%B6r%C3%B0%20Bjarmason/diary/10647 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we should do content delivery once we've done the detection. Theoretically, but if you are in some sort of internet cafe outside your country, you may be unable to do it (I got once stuck with OSM site in French - no way to change it, since the browser preferences were also in French, thus not legible for me, sometimes the preferences are adminbistratively locked, etc ...) Some way to override Accept-language (without having to login) would be nice. Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
Dear All, Here is an announcement from Steve Coast regarding another step in the long, slow process of improving the OpenStreetMap data license. I've paraphrased [] one portion of his email where he originally had broken links. The license change is a good thing. I'm looking forward to it being finished though, as it seems to have been going on for ever. If you have not been previously aware of the license change, my summary is this. 1) ccbysa is a great license for creative works and a great concept for data 2) but Creative Commons told us that ccbysa is not intended for data after we started using it 3) Open Knowledge Foundation created the ODbL to be both for data, and identical to ccbysa in concept 4) volunteers from OSM have been going through the steps to transition to a new license for some time now Some folks don't like some aspects of the proposed license. They are participating in the license process and will be free to not adopt the new license. Some folks are tired of what seems like periodic, tedious discussion of arcane legal gobbledygook. They are free to learn as much or little about the issues and participate in the degree they choose. If you've not heard of the license change before, I recommend this highly simplified process. It should take less than five minutes: 1) have a look at the ccbysa summary http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ 2) have a look at the ODbL summary http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/ 3) decide that the licenses are close enough for you, 4) when the license change process asks you to accept the ODbL in a few weeks or months, agree to do so. 5) and keep mapping. And if you can't just accept that the licenses are close enough for you, based on the summaries, follow the links below for more details and discussion. But that will extend beyond the five minute process above. ;-) Best regards, Richard -- Forwarded message -- From: SteveC st...@asklater.com Date: Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:47 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL To: p...@opengeodata.posterous.com, openstreetmap Mailing List t...@openstreetmap.org, osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org After several thousand man years of effort by the License Working Group and a bit of help by TomH, the new contributor terms and license are up and to be agreed to by new users. [Signing up for OSM now presents you with a contributor agreement, http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms] where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL (Open Database License). This is one step along the long path to moving to the ODbL. For all your fun ODbL needs, check out the wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODbL Why is this step being taken? Basically, it bounds the problem of moving to a license which actually protects and clarifies the uses of OSMs data. Otherwise, the number of people who have to move grows every day. From now on, it is a bounded problem of only the users before today. Several further steps will need to be taken to actually move to the ODbL. I'd like to thank all those involved in the ODbL and the LWG for all their hard work over the last two or so years in making this small step happen. And, remember, if you have any concerns or objections then they've likely already to have been discussed at the above wiki page(s), or you're welcome to be involved with the change process by joining the legal mailing list and/or joining the LWG calls. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
Hi, Richard Weait wrote: 1) ccbysa is a great license for creative works and a great concept for data 2) but Creative Commons told us that ccbysa is not intended for data after we started using it Without wanting to re-open endless debate, I think that at least Creative Commons deserve to be quoted properly here. I have heard the above half-truth (it is true but it leaves out important bits) quite a lot, beginning with last year's SOTM. It would be correct to say the following: Creative Commons take the position that share-alike for data is neither workable nor desirable and thus do not recommend using their BY-SA licenses for data. Instead, they suggest that non-share-alike licenses like their CC0 should be used. OSMF decided not to follow this recommendation. I think that ODbL is a good step forward for OSM but we should avoid making it sound as if Creative Commons were with us on this because they aren't. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
