Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Hi, Does this seem like a good approach? As can be seen the idea is not so much to allow addition of new ways (due to the inbuilt GPS on phones not being great) but more to add POIs and tags to existing ways. If there's interest and - more crucially - if I have the time (always difficult!) I could start work on it. The GPS built in new phones are as good as the external devices. Even if you don't have a internal GPS you could use an external GPS mouse with a phone. So adding new ways would be a good idea. cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Hi, *cough* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mom *cough* frankly, I dislike the registration procedere. Best regards, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
From: Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 August 2008 15:32:23 BDT To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor Hello everyone, Was thinking of a few ideas for an OSM mobile editor which could work as follows: * Ability to allow user in the field to add new attributes to a way (e.g. road name if it's missing, or one way) or correct existing attributes. * Allow a user to add new POIs. * Could work by either downloading OSM data live from the server (though this would have problem of being relatively expensive for the user) or by the user preloading OSM data to the phone before they go out. * Allows user to add annotations to Openstreetbugs (e.g. missing footpath here) * Because the inbuilt GPS in phones is not as good as dedicated devices, it would not be a priority to develop features to allow surveying of new ways. However this could be built in, in preparation for inbuilt mobile GPS improving in the future. * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. Does this seem like a good approach? As can be seen the idea is not so much to allow addition of new ways (due to the inbuilt GPS on phones not being great) but more to add POIs and tags to existing ways. If there's interest and - more crucially - if I have the time (always difficult!) I could start work on it. Nick I think there is a role for an application like this - working with OSM data in the field. I certainly agree with using Java ME and the impressive processing power of mobile phones. I would take issue, though, with the comments on inbuilt GPS in phones. I now have a Sony Ericsson W760 with built-in GPS and it is not as good as my Bluetooth GPS receiver, but is much ore convenient. Other phones, such as the Nokia N95, have internal GPS with very good performance, and almost all phones have Bluetooth and can be used with small, cheap Bluetooth GPS devices. My own application, mom, can be used to view OSM maps and to collect GPX tracklogs, and I believe it is every bit as suitable for this as any consumer GPS device. Performance is obviously dependent on satellite disposition, nearby trees and buildings and weather, but I regularly see accuracy in the 5 to 10m range - perfectly addequate for most OSM surveying. But of course there is already a phone application for collecting tracklogs and viewing maps, so concentrating on using and editing data is probably the right approach. elvin ibbotson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Hi, * Allow a user to add new POIs. [...] * Allows user to add annotations to Openstreetbugs (e.g. missing footpath here) such an application for offline use would be quite interesting. When going hiking, one could directly enter POIs (like signposts and stuff) into a predownloaded osm file and reupload it after the trip. A further task could be collecting house numbers. * Because the inbuilt GPS in phones is not as good as dedicated devices, it would not be a priority to develop features to allow surveying of new ways. However this could be built in, in preparation for inbuilt mobile GPS improving in the future. It would be cool to see the current position in the osm data. * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. While I'm not familiar with the different flavours of Java, there's unfortunately no official edition for the Nokia N8x0 devices. Instead, there's another port called Jalimo[1]. Not sure if it will be enough to run your tool. Does this seem like a good approach? As can be seen the idea is not so much to allow addition of new ways (due to the inbuilt GPS on phones not being great) The built-in GPS of the N810 sucks, but using an external BT GPS mouse turns it in a cool mapping device. but more to add POIs and tags to existing ways. If there's interest and - more crucially - if I have the time (always difficult!) I could start work on it. I once tried to run JOSM on the N810. Maybe improving it for mobile use was analternative to developing another tool. But it seems your focus is on cell phones with limited screen resolution, where JOSM will not fit best :) . Best regards, ce [1] http://tinyurl.com/6l99yz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Claudius Henrichs wrote: *cough* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mom *cough* *cough* non-free *cough* ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Mom looks interesting, but seems to lack a pure offline mode, or did I misunderstand the docs? Mobile internet access can be quite expensive (50€ /month here). I'd like to transfer osm data from PC to the phone, edit it on the field, and later upload it back at home with DSL. -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Claudius Henrichs Envoyé : mardi 26 août 2008 19:23 À : talk@openstreetmap.org Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor *cough* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mom *cough* Nick Whitelegg: ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:16 PM, leblatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mom looks interesting, but seems to lack a pure offline mode, or did I misunderstand the docs? Mobile internet access can be quite expensive (50€ /month here). I'd like to transfer osm data from PC to the phone, edit it on the field, and later upload it back at home with DSL. You can do this by storing the data in the jar. Dynamically storing in a j2me app is nontrivial if you want it to work on all phones, maybe there is better support nowdays but three years ago it was horrible. So internet access is the best crossplatform way of getting data to j2me, or just store it statically in the jar file. I pay ~1euro /MB which makes Google maps j2me app[1] pretty cheap, it is usually 200KB per session. Which isn't going to work for surveying.. :-) [1]http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
It sounds like there are two applications here: The mobile editor itself, for which there are various applications which could be used/extended. Given that it's mobile (no/costly network available) it would presumably want to store an OSM diff file of changes made, ready for upload when back at home. A tool for applying these diff files to the OSM database. I think this would be a GUI application rather than a simple merge tool, because the underlying data could have changed since the mobile device was last loaded with maps, the item might already exist, it might have been recently added, it might be in the OSM data but not displayed on the mobile device, the way you're trying to name might have been split and renumbered since you recorded information about it (especially if there are several people mapping an area simultaneously) And of course, some mobile devices might not know about OSM data or way-IDs at all. The program might want to store road at this lat/long should be oneway but if it's only displaying map images then the resulting diff file won't even know the way ID until you look it up later. So it might be useful to have a desktop application that can take an OSM diff file and let you confirm each change, showing a map of the area, highlighting/selecting which road you mean, adjust the position of a POI from away from the road-centre where were standing when you entered it, that sort of thing.. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Was thinking of a few ideas for an OSM mobile editor which could work as follows: * Ability to allow user in the field to add new attributes to a way (e.g. road name if it's missing, or one way) or correct existing attributes. * Allow a user to add new POIs. * Could work by either downloading OSM data live from the server (though this would have problem of being relatively expensive for the user) or by the user preloading OSM data to the phone before they go out. * Allows user to add annotations to Openstreetbugs (e.g. missing footpath here) * Because the inbuilt GPS in phones is not as good as dedicated devices, it would not be a priority to develop features to allow surveying of new ways. However this could be built in, in preparation for inbuilt mobile GPS improving in the future. * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. Does this seem like a good approach? As can be seen the idea is not so much to allow addition of new ways (due to the inbuilt GPS on phones not being great) but more to add POIs and tags to existing ways. If there's interest and - more crucially - if I have the time (always difficult!) I could start work on it. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:39:09AM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. While I'm not familiar with the different flavours of Java, there's unfortunately no official edition for the Nokia N8x0 devices. Instead, there's another port called Jalimo[1]. Not sure if it will be enough to run your tool. Merkaartor 'works' already on the N810 and on WinCE. GPS unfortunatly only on the latter, but that is planned to change. We also have some cool ideas on where we want to go, see the merkaartor mailing list, recent archives. cu bart ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Nevermind, I just realised that openstreetbugs meets the requirements for a place to review notes made while out visiting. The mobile device can just record everything (this is the A421, there is a pub here, a footpath goes off to the left) as points, and upload them all to openstreetbugs when you walk past a network connection... On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:01 PM, OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like there are two applications here: The mobile editor itself, for which there are various applications which could be used/extended. Given that it's mobile (no/costly network available) it would presumably want to store an OSM diff file of changes made, ready for upload when back at home. A tool for applying these diff files to the OSM database. I think this would be a GUI application rather than a simple merge tool, because the underlying data could have changed since the mobile device was last loaded with maps, the item might already exist, it might have been recently added, it might be in the OSM data but not displayed on the mobile device, the way you're trying to name might have been split and renumbered since you recorded information about it (especially if there are several people mapping an area simultaneously) And of course, some mobile devices might not know about OSM data or way-IDs at all. The program might want to store road at this lat/long should be oneway but if it's only displaying map images then the resulting diff file won't even know the way ID until you look it up later. So it might be useful to have a desktop application that can take an OSM diff file and let you confirm each change, showing a map of the area, highlighting/selecting which road you mean, adjust the position of a POI from away from the road-centre where were standing when you entered it, that sort of thing.. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Was thinking of a few ideas for an OSM mobile editor which could work as follows: * Ability to allow user in the field to add new attributes to a way (e.g. road name if it's missing, or one way) or correct existing attributes. * Allow a user to add new POIs. * Could work by either downloading OSM data live from the server (though this would have problem of being relatively expensive for the user) or by the user preloading OSM data to the phone before they go out. * Allows user to add annotations to Openstreetbugs (e.g. missing footpath here) * Because the inbuilt GPS in phones is not as good as dedicated devices, it would not be a priority to develop features to allow surveying of new ways. However this could be built in, in preparation for inbuilt mobile GPS improving in the future. * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. Does this seem like a good approach? As can be seen the idea is not so much to allow addition of new ways (due to the inbuilt GPS on phones not being great) but more to add POIs and tags to existing ways. If there's interest and - more crucially - if I have the time (always difficult!) I could start work on it. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Hi, Merkaartor 'works' already on the N810 and on WinCE. GPS unfortunatly only on the latter, but that is planned to change. just support gpsd and you're (almost) done for the N810. We also have some cool ideas on where we want to go, see the merkaartor mailing list, recent archives. Thanks for the hint, will try. cu, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Hi, Bart posted on talk: Merkaartor 'works' already on the N810 and on WinCE. tried to compile SVN in Scratchbox but failed. Are there any binaries available? Or may I ask for help cross compiling the code? What I did so far: svn co http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/merkaartor/ cd merkaartor/ qmake --version QMake version 2.01a Using Qt version 4.3.4 in /usr/lib qmake Merkaartor.pro make which gave me: Map/Road.cpp:405: error: 'class QLineF' has no member named 'angleTo' make: *** [tmp/obj_debug/Road.o] Error 1 According to INSTALL, I tried other variants of the qmake command (qmake All.pro, qmake All.pro NOUSEWEBKIT=1, ) and get other errors. Is this list the right place to ask for compilation support (RTFM is fine with me :) ? Best regards, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Hi, Merkaartor 'works' already on the N810 and on WinCE. tried to compile SVN in Scratchbox but failed. sent to wrong recipient, please ignore. Cheers, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
Hello everyone, Was thinking of a few ideas for an OSM mobile editor which could work as follows: * Ability to allow user in the field to add new attributes to a way (e.g. road name if it's missing, or one way) or correct existing attributes. * Allow a user to add new POIs. * Could work by either downloading OSM data live from the server (though this would have problem of being relatively expensive for the user) or by the user preloading OSM data to the phone before they go out. * Allows user to add annotations to Openstreetbugs (e.g. missing footpath here) * Because the inbuilt GPS in phones is not as good as dedicated devices, it would not be a priority to develop features to allow surveying of new ways. However this could be built in, in preparation for inbuilt mobile GPS improving in the future. * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. Does this seem like a good approach? As can be seen the idea is not so much to allow addition of new ways (due to the inbuilt GPS on phones not being great) but more to add POIs and tags to existing ways. If there's interest and - more crucially - if I have the time (always difficult!) I could start work on it. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM mobile editor
*cough* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mom *cough* Nick Whitelegg: Hello everyone, Was thinking of a few ideas for an OSM mobile editor which could work as follows: * Ability to allow user in the field to add new attributes to a way (e.g. road name if it's missing, or one way) or correct existing attributes. * Allow a user to add new POIs. * Could work by either downloading OSM data live from the server (though this would have problem of being relatively expensive for the user) or by the user preloading OSM data to the phone before they go out. * Allows user to add annotations to Openstreetbugs (e.g. missing footpath here) * Because the inbuilt GPS in phones is not as good as dedicated devices, it would not be a priority to develop features to allow surveying of new ways. However this could be built in, in preparation for inbuilt mobile GPS improving in the future. * Java ME based for maximum cross platform support. Does this seem like a good approach? As can be seen the idea is not so much to allow addition of new ways (due to the inbuilt GPS on phones not being great) but more to add POIs and tags to existing ways. If there's interest and - more crucially - if I have the time (always difficult!) I could start work on it. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
